What is the Proof for the Nonempty Intersection of Submodules Being a Submodule?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the nonempty intersection of submodules is itself a submodule, as referenced in Paul Bland's book on rings and modules. Participants explore the implications of this statement and seek clarification on the proof process.

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  • Peter seeks assistance in proving that the intersection of submodules containing a generating set is a submodule, referencing Bland's text.
  • Some participants assert that the intersection of submodules is a submodule, citing that since zero is in each submodule, it must also be in the intersection.
  • It is noted that for any elements in the intersection, their linear combinations also belong to the intersection, supporting the claim that it is a submodule.
  • Peter questions how it is established that the intersection is a submodule, indicating a need for further clarification on this point.
  • Responses affirm the assertion that the nonempty intersection of submodules is indeed a submodule, providing reasoning based on the properties of submodules.

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While some participants agree on the assertion that the intersection of submodules is a submodule, Peter expresses uncertainty about the proof's foundations, indicating that the discussion contains both agreement and unresolved questions.

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Participants do not fully explore the assumptions or definitions underlying the proof, leaving some aspects of the argument open to interpretation.

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In Paul Bland's book: Rings and Their Modules, we read the following text at the start of Section 2.2 Free Modules:View attachment 3385In the above text we read the following:

" ... ... if $$N$$ is generated by $$X$$ and if $$\{ N_\alpha \}_\Delta$$ is the family of submodules of $$M$$ that contain $$X$$, ... ...

then

... ... $$N = \ \bigcap \nolimits_\Delta N_\alpha \ = \ \sum \nolimits_X xR$$ ... ... "In order to fully understand this statement I would like to prove it ... but I am unable to get started on a proof ...

Can someone please help ...

Peter***NOTE***

To ensure that MHB members reading this post can follow Bland's notation I am providing the relevant text from page 1 of his text, as follows:View attachment 3386
 
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What Bland is saying is that $N$ is the smallest submodule of $M$ that contains $X$ (which is $\cap_{\Delta} N_\alpha$). Let $N' := \cap_\Delta N_\alpha$. Since $N$ is a submodule of $N$ that contains $X$ and $N'$ is the smallest such submodule, $N \supseteq N'$. On the other hand, since $X \subseteq N'$, $xR \in N'$ for all $x \in X$ and hence $\sum_X xR \subseteq N'$, i.e., $N \subseteq N'$. So $N = N'$.
 
Euge said:
What Bland is saying is that $N$ is the smallest submodule of $M$ that contains $X$ (which is $\cap_{\Delta} N_\alpha$). Let $N' := \cap_\Delta N_\alpha$. Since $N$ is a submodule of $N$ that contains $X$ and $N'$ is the smallest such submodule, $N \supseteq N'$. On the other hand, since $X \subseteq N'$, $xR \in N'$ for all $x \in X$ and hence $\sum_X xR \subseteq N'$, i.e., $N \subseteq N'$. So $N = N'$.
Thanks Euge ... that post was VERY helpful ... BUT reflecting on it ...

You write:

" ... ... Let $N' := \cap_\Delta N_\alpha$. ... ..."

How do we know that N' is actually a submodule?

Peter
 
Peter said:
How do we know that N' is actually a submodule?

Nonempty intersection of submodules is always a submodule. As $0 \in N_\alpha$, $0 \in \cap N_\alpha$. For $x, y \in \cap N_\alpha$, $x + ry \in N_\alpha$ (submodules) for $r \in R$, which implies $x + ry \in \cap N_\alpha$. As $\cap N_\alpha \subseteq N$, this completes the proof.
 
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mathbalarka said:
Nonempty intersection of submodules is always a submodule. As $0 \in N_\alpha$, $0 \in \cap N_\alpha$. For $x, y \in \cap N_\alpha$, $x + ry \in N_\alpha$ (submodules) for $r \in R$, which implies $x + ry \in \cap N_\alpha$. As $\cap N_\alpha \subseteq N$, this completes the proof.
Thanks Mathbalarka ... Appreciate your help!

Peter
 

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