What is the Radius of Curvature for a Banked Curve with Ice on the Road?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the minimum radius of curvature for a banked curve under icy conditions, where the coefficient of static friction is provided. The scenario includes considerations for a stationary car and a car traveling at a specified speed, with the goal of preventing skidding.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of forces acting on the car, including normal force and friction, and how these relate to the radius of curvature. There are attempts to derive equations involving these forces, with some questioning the independence of the normal force from friction.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in solving for angles and are seeking clarification on how to isolate the radius of curvature. There is an ongoing exchange of ideas regarding the relationships between the forces involved and the parameters of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under a time constraint as the homework is due soon. There are references to specific values and conditions that may influence the calculations, such as the coefficient of friction and car speeds.

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Homework Statement


A civil engineer is asked to design a curved
section of roadway that meets the following
conditions:
With ice on the road, when the coefficient of
static friction between the road and rubber is 0.12, a car at rest must not slide into the ditch
and a car traveling less than 70 km/h must not skid to the outside of the curve.
What is the minimum radius of curvature of the curve? Answer in units of m[/B]

Homework Equations


∑F=mv^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution


FnsinΘ+ FfcosΘ= mv^2 /r
Then I went to the y direction to find Fn and got
Fn=(mg+FfsinΘ/cosΘ)
When I tried to get Ff out of the equation, I ended up subbing it for (μFnsinΘ/cosΘ)
But then I still have Fn in the equation!
This is really confusing me and the homework is due tonight so please help![/B]
 
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You have two different car speeds you can use. This allows to solve for r and Θ, all other parameters are known or cancel out.
 
@mfb I did solve for theta and got the right answer, 6.842773413 however I'm not sure on how to find r. Is my formula correct? What is the next step I need to take, in order to get read of my Forces?
 
You know Fn (as function of m) and you can calculate Ff with your known angle. I guess this is the force from friction?
Then r is the only unknown value in the equation.

If it is still unclear, please post all your calculations so I can see what went wrong.
 
This is my FBD if that clears anything up at all. Ff is my Friction force, yes. I don't know Fn independent of Ff because there are three forces in the y direction.
 

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I would expect to see a body on a tilted plane in that picture, otherwise it is hard to understand.
Friction is not independent of the normal force, they are linked via the coefficient of friction (that equation is in post 1).
 

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