What is the relationship between airflow and pressure in a compressor?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between airflow and pressure in compressors, specifically focusing on how changes in mass flow and compressor speed affect delivery pressure. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of compressor performance, including different types of compressors such as rotary vane and centrifugal compressors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants observe a negative correlation between mass flow of air and discharge pressure, suggesting that increased mass flow results in lower delivery pressure.
  • Others propose that increasing the speed of the compressor leads to higher mass flow rates, which may also decrease delivery pressure.
  • A participant questions why a decrease in mass flow results in higher pressure, seeking clarification on the underlying physical mechanisms.
  • Another participant discusses the performance characteristics of centrifugal compressors, suggesting that total pressure rise is achieved by adding energy to the flow and raises questions about the relationship between flow rate and pressure rise.
  • A mathematical analysis is presented, indicating that lower flow rates may lead to higher changes in total pressure, although the participant expresses uncertainty about the physical explanation for this phenomenon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the relationship between mass flow and pressure, with some agreeing on the observed trends while others seek further clarification and explanation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the physical mechanisms at play, particularly in centrifugal compressors.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different types of compressors and their characteristics, indicating that the discussion may depend on specific compressor designs and operational conditions. There is also mention of varying definitions of pressure (inlet vs. outlet) that could influence the discussion.

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Individuals interested in compressor design, performance analysis, and fluid dynamics may find this discussion relevant, particularly those exploring the effects of airflow and pressure in engineering applications.

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Does this below seem correct?

Considerations:
1) Airflow/Delivery Pressure chracteristic
2) Speed increased/decreased

Firstly, having drawn a graph of mass flow of air vs. pressure, I have noticed that there is a strong negative correlation. Hence, therefore, the greater mass flow of air passing through the compressor each second, the lower discharge pressure is acheived.

Secondly, when considering the speed of the compressor, an increase in speed will increase the mass flow of air per second, which will in turn decrease the delivery pressure?

Thanks!
 
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Here are some compressor performance curves -

http://www.burtoncorblin.com/BCTB202.pdf
 
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sam_nich said:
Does this below seem correct?

Considerations:
1) Airflow/Delivery Pressure chracteristic
2) Speed increased/decreased

Firstly, having drawn a graph of mass flow of air vs. pressure, I have noticed that there is a strong negative correlation. Hence, therefore, the greater mass flow of air passing through the compressor each second, the lower discharge pressure is acheived.

Secondly, when considering the speed of the compressor, an increase in speed will increase the mass flow of air per second, which will in turn decrease the delivery pressure?

Thanks!
Both statements are true (assuming a constant suction/inlet pressure).
 
Hi there:

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Your observations are pretty much correct.

Thanks,

Gordan
 
Can someone help to explain why when the mass flow is decreased a higher pressure is achieved?

Thanks.
 
First, what kind of compressor are you talking about?

Second, when you reference your mass flow vs. pressure, where is the pressure you are referring? Inlet, outlet...?
 
Sorry...for the lack of detail.

I am referring to a Rotary Vane Compressor and the delivery pressure (is this the exit pressure by the way?).

Thanks.
 
Yes this is confusing me too. I would also be very grateful if someone could explain why a lower mass flow rate gives a higher pressure rise (in a centrifugal compressor).

This is the way I see things: Total pressure rise in a centrifugal compressor is achieved by adding energy to the flow, by giving the initially (nearly) axial flow a tangential component. Once the flow has reached the tip blade (at the exit), it has received as much energy as it can, and now has the maximum possible total pressure. If you decrease the flow rate, the total pressure rise is still limited by this blade speed, which hasn't changed, so surely this can't be the physical mechanism at work? I then think about how losses. Could it be that at high flow rates, the air exit velocity achieves a smaller fraction of the blade tip speed (i.e. low slip factor) than at low flow rates, hence giving a lower pressure rise? This still doesn't seem likely though because if I look at exprimental results for low rotational speeds, and varying flow rates, the same trend is observable... that lower mass flow rates give higher pressure rises.

Could someone please tell me what physical mechanism is at work here?

Thank you very much!
 
If anyone is interested here is my solution (right or wrong):

For a compressor, the volumetric flow rate is proportional to the impeller rotational speed: Q = kN. For low flow rates at a given engine speed, the gradient of the line, k is small.

For a simplified analysis of a fan, the change in total pressure (Delta P0) = rho * U^2 (where rho is air density and U is blade tip speed).

U is a linear function of N. Therefore Delta P0 = constant x N^2.

Take the initial relationship Q = kN. Therefore N = Q/k.

Substituting into Delta P0 = constant x N^2 gives:

Delta P0 = constant x (Q/k)^2.

Recall from earlier that low flow rates have a low k value. From the above equation, low k values give higher changes in total pressure, which answers mathematically (I think) my question.

I still don't have a physical explanation for this though so I can really understand it.
 

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