What is the Relationship between Kepler's law and universal gravitation law?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between Kepler's laws of planetary motion and Newton's law of universal gravitation, particularly focusing on how these concepts interrelate in the context of celestial mechanics.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the derivation of Kepler's third law from Newton's law of gravitation, questioning the nature of orbits and whether they are circular or elliptical. Some express confusion about the implications of these laws and seek further elaboration.

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The discussion includes attempts to clarify misconceptions about the nature of orbits in Newton's framework compared to Kepler's observations. Some participants have provided insights into the derivation process and the empirical nature of Kepler's laws, while others are still seeking additional resources or explanations.

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There is a mention of a requirement for a 300-word explanation, indicating constraints on the participants' responses. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding regarding the historical context of the laws and their mathematical relationships.

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What is the Relationship between Kepler's law and universal gravitation law?

(IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE CENTRE OF MASS)I know this;

Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation F=mGM/r^2 derived Keplers Third Law r^3/t^2= constant:

mGM/r^2 = mv^2/r gives GM/ (2pi)^2 = r^3/t^2.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_t...vitation_and_kepler's_third_law#ixzz1FWdmdjyI

But I have to do 300 words on it :(
I don't know any more!
 
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for Newton, orbits are circular, but kepler proves its elliptical.
 


Thanks for the fast reply, is there anyway you can elaborate on that as I'm still slightly confused :S
 


Also is it the third law that has a relation ship with universal gravitation?
 


yes the third law is consistent with gravitation.
 


Do you have any articles that explain this as its what I have to do.
 
supratim1 said:
for Newton, orbits are circular, but kepler proves its elliptical.

Nonsense!

Newton (1643-1727) was after Kepler (1571-1630) :rolleyes:
 


sorry sir, i mean, Newton's gravitation assumes orbits to be circular. am i wrong?
 
yes!
 
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supratim1 said:
sorry sir, i mean, Newton's gravitation assumes orbits to be circular. am i wrong?

Yes, you are dead wrong. The fact that the orbits can be any sort of conic section (circle, ellipse, parabola, or hyperbola) comes directly from Newton's universal law of gravitation.

To the original poster: Keplers law was an empirical (observational) law. He came up with it because it fit the data, but he did not know why it was true. Newton explained why. In other words you can derive Kepler's 3rd law from Newton's law of gravitation. In general this gets a bit complicated, but for the specific case of a circular orbit, this is easy to do. Try it!

Edit: nevermind, you have already done it in your first post. Hopefully this illustrates that Newtons law is fundamental, and Keplers is merely a result of it.
 
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thank you sir, i understood it now.
 

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