What is the relationship between ker(A) and ker(A^TA)?

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the kernels of a matrix \( A \) and its transpose \( A^T \), specifically exploring whether \( \ker(A^T A) \) is equal to \( \ker(A) \). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical exploration of linear algebra concepts.

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  • One participant asserts that \( \ker(BA) \) is equal to \( \ker(A) \) and seeks clarification on why this is the case.
  • Another participant suggests that the shorthand notation may be causing confusion and encourages more precise writing.
  • A participant questions whether demonstrating that \( \ker(A^T A) \) is a subset of \( \ker(A) \) would imply equality.
  • Another participant introduces the use of LaTeX for clarity and reiterates the definitions of the kernels in the context of the matrices involved.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the equality of the kernels and whether the subset relationship is sufficient to establish equality. No consensus is reached on the matter.

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Limitations include potential ambiguity in shorthand notation and the need for precise mathematical definitions. The discussion does not resolve the implications of the subset relationship.

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B= A transpose

What is the relation between ker(BA) and ker(A)? I was told that they are equal to each other, but I can't figure out why.

ker(A) => Ax = 0
ker(BA) => BAx = 0 so that BA is a subset of A. This shows that ker(BA) =0 whenever ker(A) = 0, but how does this also show that they are equal?
 
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It might be the case that your shorthand is obscuring things -- try writing things more precisely, and maybe the answer will become more clear.
 
Hi, thanks for your response.

What do you mean my shorthand? I only said that B = A transpose because I didn't know how to write the superscript T on the forums (is that what you meant?)

Does showing that ker(A^T*A) is a subset of ker(A) show that they are equal?
 
Let me use Latex for your convenience (you can click on them to learn how to write in case you don't know)...

[tex]B = A^T[/tex]

Then,

[tex]\ker{(A)} \Rightarrow Ax=0[/tex] and [tex]\ker{(BA)} \Rightarrow BAx = 0[/tex]

Now plug B in

[tex]\ker{(A^TA)} \Rightarrow A^TAx = 0[/tex]

And what do you know about [itex]A^TA[/itex]?
 

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