What is the relationship between momentum and mass in the context of light?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between momentum and mass in the context of light, particularly addressing the implications of using the equation E = mc² for photons. Participants explore the definitions and relationships of momentum, energy, and mass as they pertain to light, with a focus on theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the momentum of light can be expressed as E/c and attempts to relate this to the equation E = mc².
  • Another participant counters that the "mass of light" is zero, arguing that momentum for light is related to its wavelength rather than mass, and cites the formula E² = (pc)² + (mc²)².
  • A third participant states that the classical definition of momentum as mass times velocity does not apply to light.
  • Another participant emphasizes that momentum and energy should be treated as interconnected, suggesting that mass and energy are different manifestations of the same entity, rather than separate concepts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the application of mass in the context of light and the relationship between momentum and energy. There is no consensus on how to reconcile these concepts, and multiple competing views remain present.

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Limitations include the assumption that mass can be directly applied to light, as well as the dependence on definitions of momentum and energy in different contexts. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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Hi

This is probably very naive!

What is wrong with the following

The (momentum of light) = E/c so it is then possible to write this as
(mass of light x speed of light) = E/c

and thus ... E = mc^2

... this came up after I read the following with my students

http://www.davidbodanis.com/pages/promised_note_high school2.html

Which starts with Momentum = E/c but then takes a long route round to E = mc^2

Simon
 
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What's wrong with it, is that "mass of light" is zero, so you are saying 0 = E / c.
For light, the momentum is related to the wavelength, not the mass. The correct formula is
E^2 = (pc)^2 + (mc^2)^2
which for a particle at rest reduces to E = mc^2 and for a photon with momentum p to E / c = p.

In fact, you may want to read https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=1285138&postcount=6 ).
 
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"momentum= mass times velocity" does not apply to light.
 
"the momentum is related to the wavelength,"

and the wavelength is related to the energy. the total energy of any system is the critical element of consideration, and there is a reason why a system is treated mathematically via its total energy, rather than addressing mass and energy separately in a moving or accelerating system. it seems disingenuous to attempt to deal with mass and energy as f they were different entities - they are only different manifestations of the same thing.
 

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