What is the relationship between SO(n) and S^n?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between special orthogonal groups SO(n) and spheres S^n, particularly focusing on the groups of rotations in various dimensions and their corresponding geometric interpretations.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definitions and relationships between SO(n) and S^n, questioning the correctness of initial statements regarding their equivalences. Some suggest considering S^n as a subset of R^(n+1) and the implications of mappings from SO(n+1) to S^n.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing clarifications on the relationships between the groups and questioning the assumptions made in the original statements. There is an exploration of the implications of these relationships, particularly in terms of mappings and coset representations.

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Participants note the importance of precise language in mathematical definitions, particularly regarding the use of "=" versus "is." There is also a focus on the special properties of mappings that maintain the structure of S^n.

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Homework Statement


Group of rotations of S^1 = SO(2)=S^1 conincidently
Group of rotations of S^2 = SO(3)
Group of rotations of S^3 = SO(4)

Correct?

The Attempt at a Solution


SO(3) is the group of all rotations in R^3 so it can rotate all elements of S^2 which is part of R^3. Although I can't show it rigorously.

Would it be enough to say since SO(3) consists of all rotations in R^3, it can offcouse rotate all elements having unit distance from the origin.

Similar argument made to S^1 and S^3.
 
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pivoxa15 said:

Homework Statement


Group of rotations of S^1 = SO(2)=S^1 conincidently
Group of rotations of S^2 = SO(3)
Group of rotations of S^3 = SO(4)

Correct?

No, the last two are not correct.

S^2 \cong SO \left( 3 \right) / SO \left( 2 \right)

S^3 \cong SO \left( 4 \right) / SO \left( 3 \right) \cong SU \left( 2 \right)

In general,

S^n \cong SO \left( n+1 \right) / SO \left( n \right)

S^{2n + 1} \cong SU \left( n+1 \right) / SU \left( n \right).

[edit] Sorry, I think I misunderstood what you wrote. Note that "=" should not be substituted for the word "is."

I think what you meant is something like the following.

Consider S^n as a subset of \mathbb{R}^{n+1}. Show that each element of SO \left( n+1 \right) maps S^n to S^n. A general mapping from \mathbb{R}^{n+1} to \mathbb{R}^{n+1} might map an element of S^n to an element of \mathbb{R}^{n+1} that is not in S^n, so there is something "special" going on here.[/edit]
 
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Continuing, let x be an element of S^n, so x is an element of \mathbb{R}^{n+1} such that

x^T x = 1.

Set y = Ax, with A in SO \left( n+1 \right), and calculate the length of y.
 
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No, the last two are not correct.

S^2 \cong SO \left( 3 \right) / SO \left( 2 \right)

S^3 \cong SO \left( 4 \right) / SO \left( 3 \right) \cong SU \left( 2 \right)

In general,

S^n \cong SO \left( n+1 \right) / SO \left( n \right)

S^{2n + 1} \cong SU \left( n+1 \right) / SU \left( n \right).

[edit] Sorry, I think I misunderstood what you wrote. Note that "=" should not be substituted for the word "is."

I think what you meant is something like the following.

Consider S^n as a subset of \mathbb{R}^{n+1}. Show that each element of SO \left( n+1 \right) maps S^n to S^n. A general mapping from \mathbb{R}^{n+1} to \mathbb{R}^{n+1} might map an element of S^n to an element of \mathbb{R}^{n+1} that is not in S^n, so there is something "special" going on here.[/edit]


With this one, S^{2n + 1} \cong SU \left( n+1 \right) / SU \left( n \right).

does it mean each coset representation is a matrix in SU(2)?
 

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