What is the relationship between wavelength and frequency?

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The problem involves sound waves emitted from a loudspeaker, with a focus on understanding the relationship between wavelength and frequency. The context includes specific distances from the source to listeners and the speed of sound.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the distances to the listeners and the concept of wavelength. There is uncertainty about how to apply these distances to find frequencies. Questions arise regarding whether the distances represent different wavefronts and how to interpret the definition of wavelength.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested possible wavelengths based on the distance between the listeners, while others are questioning the assumptions about the wavefronts and the relationship between wavelength and frequency.

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Participants note the need to consider the phase of the wave at the source and the implications of the distances involved. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity in determining the frequencies based on the given information.

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Homework Statement


A loudspeaker at the origin emits sound waves on a day when the speed of sound is 340 m/s. A crest of the wave simultaneously passes listeners at the coordinates (38,0) and (0,31).

What are the lowest two possible frequencies of the sound?

Honestly, I am most clueless on how to do this.

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I want to say that if the crest passes over each individual 38 and 31 m at the same, that has something to do with the wavelength\lambda.


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that v=\lambdaf, But I'm unsure how you would use 38 and 31 m to figure out frequencies that would apply for each of them. Any starting point would be appreciated.
 
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What is the definition of wavelength? It is the distance from ... to ... ?
 
The distance between one peak to another. I still don't see how you would use the two different lengths. Are each of the lengths representative of the two different frequencies?
 
The origin emits spherical waves that expand in all directions. An emitted wavefront, say a crest, moves away from the origin at the speed of sound. Do the peaks mentioned in the problem belong to the same wavefront or to different wavefronts? What do you think?
 
Well, if they arrive at different points at the same time, they would have to be different wave fronts, because they're different distances. Also, the problem says the crest of the wave passes both listeners simultaneously.
 
So if they belong to different wavefronts, what could the possible wavelengths be?
 
That's where I'm scratching my head. It can't be 38 and 31 m, because that's ridiculously low. It would have to be something that divides evenly into both. Or the fact that 7 m is separated between the two is also significant.

Ah ha! So, since the difference between them is 7 m, that would mean that that would be a possible wavelength along with 14 m. Then you divide 340 by 7 and 14. That gives you 49 and 97. Again, thanks, man. Incredibly simple, but it took talking it out to understand it.
 
Think it over one more time. You've found that the distance between two crests (You don't know if they're consecutive or not) is 7 meters.

And you've said yourself that the distance between two consecutive crests is defined as the wavelength of the wave.

Using this information, what formulation can you find for the frequency? Note that there's an infinite number of possible frequencies!

Note that you don't know the phase at the source at that moment in time. You don't know how many wavelengths the source has 'sent out', it could be 3, 4, or 4.669.
 

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