What is the Required Distance for 25% Transmission in a Spin 1/2 Particle Beam?

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The problem involves a beam of spin 1/2 particles passing through two Stern-Gerlach (SG) devices with a uniform magnetic field in between. The goal is to determine the distance required for 25% of the particles transmitted by the first SG device to be transmitted by the second device, expressed in terms of specific variables.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the role of the magnetic field and its effect on the spin state of the particles, questioning how the field in the x-direction influences the spin compared to the z-direction.
  • There is confusion regarding the variable 'l' and its derivation, with some participants questioning whether it represents an angle or a distance.
  • One participant attempts to relate the distance 'l' to the time the particle spends in the magnetic field, considering the particle's speed.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the implications of the magnetic field on spin states and the significance of the distance 'l'. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between time, distance, and speed, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation of 'l'.

Contextual Notes

Participants express difficulty in finding references to the variable 'l' in their materials, indicating a potential gap in understanding or resources related to the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A beam of spin 1/2 particles with speed v passes through a series of SGz devices. The first SGz device transmits particles with Sz = ħ/2 and filters out particles with Sz=-ħ/2. The second SGz device transmits particles with Sz=-ħ/2 and filters out particles of Sz=ħ/2. Between the two devices is a region of length l in which there is a uniform magnetic field B pointing in the x-direction. Determine the smallest value of l such that exactly 25% of the particles transmitted by the first SGz Device are transmitted by the second device. Express your result in terms of ω=egB/2mc and v.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Because of the way particles are being passed through the two SGz devices doesn't only 25% of the particles pass through the second device regardless of the distance between the SGz devices?
I know that's not exactly right but I'm failing understand why it's not right.
I've been pulling my hair out. I have no idea where this 'l' variable is coming from.
Any advice or direction would be appreciated.
 
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Make sure you're not thinking of the B field in the x direction as acting like a SGx device.
 
I don't think I'm thinking of it as an SGx device. So the magnetic field just changes the spin over time, right? But that's for B in the z-direction. Does B in the X-direction do the same thing?
 
nmsurobert said:
So the magnetic field just changes the spin over time, right? But that's for B in the z-direction. Does B in the X-direction do the same thing?
As the particle passes through the Bx field, the field alters the spin state of the particle. You need to know specifically what the Bx field does to the spin state. The net change in the spin state due to the Bx field depends on how much time the particle spends in the field. That's why the distance L matters.
 
Ok. I understand why it's important. Butbim having trouble finding an 'l' anywhere in my book or notes. I don't know where the variable is supposed to be derived from.
Is 'l' an angle? That's all I can find in relation to the equations given at the end of the problem.
 
Thank you for your help thus far btw.
 
nmsurobert said:
Ok. I understand why it's important. Butbim having trouble finding an 'l' anywhere in my book or notes. I don't know where the variable is supposed to be derived from.
Is 'l' an angle? That's all I can find in relation to the equations given at the end of the problem.
In this font, lower case L looks too much like upper case I. Is it OK if we use 'L' instead of 'l' for the distance the particle travels through the uniform field Bx? L is not an angle, it's a distance. Can you relate the time, t, that the particle spends in the region of Bx to the distance L?
 
Well if it's moving at speed v and v = change in distance/time. And L is the distance we're trying to measure. There's a relation I suppose.
 
As preparation for this problem, you should have studied what happens to the spin of a particle when placed in a uniform magnetic field.
 
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