What is the role of theta in representing polar vectors?

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The discussion centers on the role of the angle theta in polar coordinates, particularly in the context of velocity representation. The velocity vector is expressed as v = \dot{r}\hat{r} + r\dot{\theta}\hat{\theta}, where \hat{\theta} is the unit vector perpendicular to \hat{r}. The appearance of \dot{\theta} arises from differentiating the unit vector \hat{r}, indicating that theta is crucial when the position vector changes direction. Understanding the derivatives of polar unit-basis vectors clarifies how theta contributes to the overall vector representation in polar coordinates.

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It is known that the vector in polar coordinate system can be expressed as \mathbf{r}=r\hat{r}. In this formula, we don't see \hat{\theta} appear.
But after the derivation yielding speed, \mathbf{v}=\dot{r}\hat{r}+r\dot{\theta}\hat{\theta}. Where does theta come from? And how to define its magnitude and direction?
 
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The \dot{θ} appears because of the differentiation of the unit vector \hat{\underline{r}}.
 
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It is known that the vector in polar coordinate system can be expressed as \mathbf{r}=r\hat{r}. In this formula, we don't see \hat{\theta} appear.
But after the derivation yielding speed, \mathbf{v}=\dot{r}\hat{r}+r\dot{\theta}\hat{\theta}. Where does theta come from? And how to define its magnitude and direction?

The angle will turn up if the position vector is changing direction (if motion is not radial).
The direction of the unit theta vector will be normal to the unit r vector.

It can sometimes be difficult to see any point in using anything other than cartesian co ordinates - until you come upon a suitable problem, when it suddenly makes good sense.
 
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You see everything most easily by expressing all vectors in cartesian coordinates. For polar coordinates you have
\vec{r}=r \cos \theta \vec{e}_1 + r \sin \theta \vec{e}_2.
Here, \vec{e}_j are a Cartesian basis, i.e., two fixed orthonormalized vectors in the plane.
Then you get
\hat{r}=\cos \theta \vec{e}_1 + \sin \theta \vec{e}_2, \quad \hat{\theta}=-\sin \theta \vec{e}_1+\cos \theta \vec{e}_2.
The derivatives of the polar unit-basis vectors thus are
\partial_r \hat{r}=0, \quad \partial_{\theta} \hat{r}=\hat{\theta}, \quad \partial_r \hat{\theta}=0, \quad \partial_{\theta} \hat{\theta}=-\hat{r}.
From this you get
\partial_r \vec{r}=\hat{r}, \quad \partial_{\theta} \vec{r}=r \hat{\theta}
and thus, using the product and chain rule
\vec{v}=\frac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}t} \vec{r}=\dot{r} \hat{r} + r \dot{\theta} \hat{\theta}.
 
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