What is the shape and orientation os the Higgs field?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the Higgs field, specifically its shape, orientation, and whether it possesses characteristics similar to other fields. Participants explore concepts related to scalar fields and how they differ from vector fields, as well as the implications of these differences for understanding the Higgs field.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the shape and orientation of the Higgs field, asking if it consists of parallel lines, a grid, or if it is curved.
  • Others argue that the Higgs field does not have "field lines" or a direction, as it is a scalar field, and thus does not conform to traditional models of fields that surround objects.
  • There is a discussion about whether the Higgs field has a shape or form, with some suggesting that it may be uniform and equal everywhere, similar to temperature.
  • Some participants emphasize the need to adjust interpretations of fields, stating that fields do not have shape or surround something, and that variations do not imply traditional features like shape.
  • One participant clarifies that fields are mathematical constructs that have values everywhere, distinguishing between scalar and vector fields and noting that the Higgs field is a scalar field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the characteristics of the Higgs field, with no consensus reached regarding its shape or orientation. The discussion remains unresolved, highlighting competing interpretations of what constitutes a field.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the definitions of shape and form in relation to scalar fields, as well as the potential confusion arising from comparing the Higgs field to vector fields like electric and magnetic fields.

CosmicVoyager
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Greetings,

Other fields are curved around particles and objects. The Higgs field permeates all of space. What is the shape of the Higgs field lines? Is it parallel lines? Or a grid of perpendicular lines? Is it curved? What is the orientation? What determined the orientation?

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CosmicVoyager said:
Other fields are curved around particles and objects.
They are not, and does not sound like a useful model or analogy at all.
CosmicVoyager said:
The Higgs field permeates all of space.
So do all other fields.
The Higgs field does not have "field lines". It does not even have a direction, as it is a scalar field.
 
mfb said:
They are not, and does not sound like a useful model or analogy at all.So do all other fields.
The Higgs field does not have "field lines". It does not even have a direction, as it is a scalar field.

Does it have a shape? A form? Or is it uniform and equal everywhere? Having trouble understanding it. Every field I know of surrounds something. Nothing is causing the field? I do not see the difference between a field with no shape and no field at all.
 
CosmicVoyager said:
Does it have a shape? A form?
Those concepts do not make sense for fields. Does temperature have a shape?
CosmicVoyager said:
Or is it uniform and equal everywhere?
To a very good approximation, yes.
CosmicVoyager said:
I do not see the difference between a field with no shape and no field at all.
Compare it to temperature. You can have the same temperature everywhere. You still have a temperature.
 
CosmicVoyager said:
I do not see the difference between a field with no shape and no field at all.

You have to "fix" your interpretation of a field... fields don't have shape or surround something... Even if it varied, it wouldn't have those features.
some can have direction and for that reason they are called vector fields...
 
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As Chris mentions, you will need to fix your view of what a field is. It is simply mathematical way of saying "something which has a value everywhere". Depending on what type of value it has (scalar, vector, etc) we call it a scalar field or a vector field.

When you think about fields you are likely thinking about electric or magnetic fields, because this is usually the first instance of fields people encounter which are actually called fields. These are vector fields and there are a number of useful ways to visualise how they vary in space, such as field lines, which at every point point in the same direction as the vector field. This is, however, not referred to as the "shape", because what you will generally see is a pictorial representation of the field generated by, e.g., a point charge.

It should also be mentioned that there is only one electric and one magnetic field. That you sometimes will hear people refer to "the field of charge q and the field of charge Q" is that electromagnetism follows the superposition principle, i.e., you can figure out how a set of several charges relate to a field by summing their contribution.

You should also already be familiar with several other fields, which are usually not called as such, e.g., pressure and temperature. These are scalar fieds (they have only a value at each point and no direction), but not fundamental fields in the same way as the Higgs or electromagnetic fields.
 

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