What is the significance of taking the derivative of y=sin^-1(x)?

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The discussion revolves around the derivative of the function y=\sin^{-1}(x) and its potential significance, particularly in relation to the Lorentz factor in relativity. Participants explore the mathematical derivation and its implications, questioning whether there is any deeper meaning or relevance in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the derivative of y=\sin^{-1}(x) is y'=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}, suggesting a connection to the Lorentz factor with β=x and γ=y.
  • Another participant argues that there is no significance for relativity, attributing the result to the identity sin² + cos² = 1.
  • Several participants elaborate on the differentiation process, confirming that dy/dx=1/cos(y) and relating cos(y) to √(1-x²), thereby arriving at dy/dx=1/√(1-x²).
  • Some participants express confusion about the significance of the derivative, questioning why it would or wouldn't have any relevance.
  • A later reply acknowledges a relation between the derivative and the gamma factor of relativity, suggesting that if x=v/c, then dy/dx relates to the angular orientation differential in 4-space.
  • Another participant cautions against overinterpreting the mathematical form, suggesting that many expressions in various fields share similar forms without implying deeper meaning.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the derivative in relation to relativity. While some see a meaningful connection, others argue that it lacks significance, leading to an unresolved discussion.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the relevance of mathematical forms in physics and the interpretation of derivatives, which remain unresolved.

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I was mucking around with graphmatica and decided to take the derivative of
y=\sin^{-1}(x)
and got
y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}
which is the lorentz factor with
\beta=x
and
\gamma=y

Does this have any significance?
 
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No significance for relativity.
It just comes from sin^2 +cos^2=1.
 
If y= sin^{-1}(x) then x= sin(y). dx/dy= cos(y) so that dy/dx= 1/cos(y)= 1/cos(sin^{1}(x)). Since, as Meir Achuz said, sin^2(x)+ cos^2(x)= 1, cos(x)= \sqrt{1- sin^2(z)} so that cos(sin^{-1}(x)= \sqrt{1- sin^2(sin^{-1}(x)}= \sqrt{1- x^2}.

That is, dy/dx= 1/\sqrt{1- x^2}.

(I assume you meant y'= 1/\sqrt{1- x^2} not y= 1/\sqrt{1- x^2}.)
 
HallsofIvy said:
If y= sin^{-1}(x) then x= sin(y). dx/dy= cos(y) so that dy/dx= 1/cos(y)= 1/cos(sin^{1}(x)). Since, as Meir Achuz said, sin^2(x)+ cos^2(x)= 1, cos(x)= \sqrt{1- sin^2(z)} so that cos(sin^{-1}(x)= \sqrt{1- sin^2(sin^{-1}(x)}= \sqrt{1- x^2}.

That is, dy/dx= 1/\sqrt{1- x^2}.

(I assume you meant y'= 1/\sqrt{1- x^2} not y= 1/\sqrt{1- x^2}.)

dunno. Like i said. I was mucking around with graphmatica.
 
Why WOULD it have any significance?
 
romsofia said:
Why WOULD it have any significance?

Why WOULDN'T it have any significance?
 
JDude13 said:
Why WOULDN'T it have any significance?

I'm asking you, I'm wondering why you would think it would have significance. Do you know how to differentiate/integrate inverse trig functions (not with the program you mentioned)?
 
romsofia said:
I'm asking you, I'm wondering why you would think it would have significance. Do you know how to differentiate/integrate inverse trig functions (not with the program you mentioned)?

no... I was just a little confused when it happened.
 
JDude13 said:
I was mucking around with graphmatica and decided to take the derivative of
y=\sin^{-1}(x)
and got
y=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}
which is the lorentz factor with
\beta=x
and
\gamma=y

Does this have any significance?

As HallsofIvy pointed out, it should be dy/dx=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^2}}

I do see the significance myself, or maybe better to say "I see the relation". I'd agree with your assessment. It's just a matter of understanding how the abstract math applies to the physical model of relativity theory. If x = v/c, then dy/dx = gamma (not y = gamma) where c=1. We then have the gamma factor of relativity, and the angular orientation differential (in 4-space) between the 2 frames of interest ... y = theta = sin-1(v/c).

GrayGhost
 
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This topic is a bit strange. There are MANY expressions in physics, chemistry, engineering, etc. that have the SAME mathematical form as this. You are fishing to put more "meaning" into this than there really is.

Zz.
 

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