What is the Size of a Chlorophyll Molecule and Photosystem in Biology?

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The discussion centers around the size of chlorophyll molecules and photosystems in biology, specifically seeking to clarify the dimensions in nanometers. Participants explore different types of chlorophyll and the complexities involved in measuring these biological structures.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests the size of chlorophyll and photosystems, indicating a need for specific measurements.
  • Another participant suggests refining the question by specifying which type of chlorophyll is being referred to and whether the inquiry concerns Photosystem I, Photosystem II, or both.
  • A participant mentions that the size could refer to molar mass or length in nanometers, noting that this can vary under different circumstances.
  • One response proposes estimating the length of the chlorophyll complex based on typical bond lengths or using crystal structures for measurement with software like PyMol.
  • A reference is made to a paper that states chlorophyll a has an area of 1 nm² when bound to proteins, but the participant expresses uncertainty about the implications of this measurement and its dependence on molecular orientation.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the specific sizes of chlorophyll molecules or photosystems, and multiple views regarding the complexity of measuring these dimensions are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the challenges in obtaining straightforward answers regarding the sizes of chlorophyll and photosystems, emphasizing the influence of molecular orientation and the context of measurement.

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can any biology expert tell me the size of a chlorophyll molecule and the size of a photosystem ?
 
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Can we refine your question a bit?
Since chlorophyll comes in different types - here is an article for non-scientists
http://www.majordifferences.com/2013/05/difference-between-chlorophyll-and.html#.VqZ9UZorIgt

I am guessing you want chlorophyll a.

Next: size is what? molar mass? nm in length(this changes under some circumstances)?

Phototosystem I or photosystem II or both?
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O6-photosystemsIandII.html

If you actually read those links you will know what to ask AND get the answers, too. A win-win. Plus learning how to ask well-defined questions helps a lot in Science.
 
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jim mcnamara said:
Can we refine your question a bit?
Since chlorophyll comes in different types - here is an article for non-scientists
http://www.majordifferences.com/2013/05/difference-between-chlorophyll-and.html#.VqZ9UZorIgt

I am guessing you want chlorophyll a.

Next: size is what? molar mass? nm in length(this changes under some circumstances)?

Phototosystem I or photosystem II or both?
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O6-photosystemsIandII.html

If you actually read those links you will know what to ask AND get the answers, too. A win-win. Plus learning how to ask well-defined questions helps a lot in Science.
i read the 2 articles however none of them contained the answer i was looking for by SIZE what i meant was the (length) size of a chlorphyll a molecule in nanometres and the length of both photosystems taken individually in nanometres
 
You might be able to estimate the length of the complex based on the typical bond lengths involved. Alternatively, you could download the crystal structures of the photosystems, then measure the length of the chlorophyll molecules using a program like PyMol.
 
Size and Power of a Chlorophyll a molecule
P Strebeyko
Photosynthetica. October 2000 , Volume 38, Issue 1, pp 159- 160

As bound in the proteins of the thylakoid by the phytol "tail", chlorophyll a has an area of 1nm^2.

What I wanted you to see is that chlorophyll (anything) is really complicated and there are almost no simple answers. So, sometimes there are no simple answers for what seem to be simple questions.

The value above seems a little offbeat to me becuse I think the "area" is a function of the orientation of the molecule wrt the angle of the measurement. But I do not know for sure. Chlorophyll a is active when bound to specific proteins and when there are physically nearby pigments, all in a specific spatial orientations. Getting something like the paper had would be really diffcult in situ. My opinion only.
 
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