Triplets/Singlets and applying lowering S operator

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of spin states in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the transition between the notation of total spin states |s m⟩ and the up/down arrow notation for individual spins. Participants explore the application of lowering operators and the concept of triplet and singlet states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the state |1 0⟩ = (1/√2)(↑↓ + ↓↑) and questions the significance of the order of equations in the context of lowering operators.
  • Another participant clarifies that the notation |SM⟩ refers to total spin numbers, while the arrow notation indicates individual m values, with the |00⟩ state being orthogonal to |10⟩.
  • A participant seeks a method to convert an arbitrary |s m⟩ state to the up/down arrow representation, indicating a lack of understanding despite previous explanations.
  • One participant explains the use of the lowering operator S_- to derive the |10⟩ state from |11⟩ = ↑↑, suggesting checking the algebra for consistency with angular momentum operators.
  • Another participant outlines a procedure for constructing |N/2 m⟩ states from the |N/2 N/2⟩ state by applying the lowering operator and emphasizes the need to check the total number of states.
  • A later reply suggests that it is more effective to go from the arrow notation to the spin eigenstate rather than the other way around, proposing an alternative method involving matrix diagonalization to find multiplet members.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, indicating that multiple competing views remain on how to transition between spin state representations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best method for this conversion.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the complexity of the algebra involved in verifying states and the potential ambiguity in the definitions of the states being discussed. The discussion also highlights the challenge of representing spin states in different notations.

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Hello, I am going through this and I am totally confused. Where do they come up with ##\mid 1 \hspace {0.02 in} 0 \rangle = \frac {1}{\sqrt{2}}(\uparrow \downarrow + \downarrow \uparrow)##? They just use the lowering operator, but I'm wondering if the switch in order from equation 4.177 and the one right above it (not numbered) is significant?

Also, why is this thing called a "triplet" (I see three rows in equation 4.177, is that why?)

I guess my problem is to go from ## \mid s \hspace{0.02 in} m \rangle## to some sort of up down representation. How do I get the singlet, ##\mid 0 \hspace{0.02 in} 0 \rangle##?
 
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The notation |SM> refers to total spin numbers.
The arrow notation refers to individual m values, individual s=1/2) being understood.
The |00> state is the combination orthogonal to |10>.
 
Okay, is there some way to go from an arbitrary ##\mid s \hspace {0.02 in} m \rangle## to the up/down arrow combination? I read everything you wrote previously, but I still don't know how to go from the spin eigenstate to the up/down arrow
 
The way the author derives the ##|10>## state is he makes use of the property of lowering operator ##S_-##. Lowering (and raising) operators have the property that when it acts on an angular momentum eigenstate, it will lower (raise) the m value by one unit while retaining the angular momentum quantum number (in that notation s). So knowing that ##|11> = \uparrow \uparrow##, you can apply ##S_-## to that state to get ##|10>##. If you want to check if ##|10>## is really how it was written in that equation you can try to make ##S^2 = (S_1+S_2)^2## and ##S_z = S_{1z}+S_{2z}## act on the arrow up and down expression for ##|10>##, and see what expression they ended up respectively, although the algebra might get quite tedious.
 
Yes there is. If you have N spins of s=1/2, first write down the |N/2 N/2> state, that is all N arrows point up. Then apply the lowering operator to get the |N/2 N/2-1> state, etc. Now you have the |N/2 m> states. To get the |N/2-1 m> multiplets first construct the |N/2-1 N/2-1> states. These are the N-1 combinations orthogonal to |N/2 N/2-1>. Apply S- repeatedly to get the multiplets. And so on.
Check at the end if you have 2^N states.
 
Maylis said:
Okay, is there some way to go from an arbitrary ##\mid s \hspace {0.02 in} m \rangle## to the up/down arrow combination? I read everything you wrote previously, but I still don't know how to go from the spin eigenstate to the up/down arrow
It is the other way around. The reason that you cannot go from |Sm> to arrows is that there are many ways to create an |Sm> state. Instead, go from the arrow notation to the spin eigenstate. An alternative to the construction algorithm above is to take all states with n+ up and n- down arrows, construct the matrices of S^2 = Sz^2 + (S+S- + S-S+)/2. Diagonalize the matrix and you will have found the m = n+ - n- members of all multiplets.
 
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