What is the solution for the Pulley System Problem?

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The discussion revolves around a pulley system problem involving a mass of 3M and the dynamics of tension in a weightless string and pulleys. Participants are exploring the application of Newton's laws and energy conservation principles to determine the acceleration of the mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss setting up equations based on Newton's second law for the pulleys and the mass. There is a suggestion to consider the fixed length of the rope and its implications. Another participant proposes using energy conservation to analyze the system, leading to the formulation of initial and final energy states.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different approaches to the problem. Some guidance has been provided regarding string constraints, and there is acknowledgment of helpful insights shared among participants. However, there is no explicit consensus on the method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption of no friction and weightless strings and pulleys, which may influence their reasoning and equations. There is also mention of a potential lack of sufficient equations relative to unknowns in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


No friction, pulleys and also string are weightless, the tension through the string is distributed uniformly. Find the acceleration of the mass 3M (see image attached)


Homework Equations



II law of Newton

The Attempt at a Solution


Well I wrote such equations for all pulleys (counting pulleys from right to left):
1) M*a1 = T - Mg;
2) M*a2 = 2T - Mg;
4) M*a3 = 2T - Mg;
5) 3M*a = T - 3Mg.

Now we have 1 more unknowns than equations. Any ideas?
 

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Can you make use of the fact that the rope has a fixed length ?
 
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Do you mean energy conservation?

Then, I guess, we could write eq.:
Initial state
E1 = 3Mgh + Mgh

Final state (when 3M descends h):
[itex]E_2 = \frac{3Mv^2}{2} + \frac{Mv^2}{2} + 2*\frac{M\frac{v^2}{4}}{2} + 2Mgh + 2*Mgh/2[/itex]

Keeping in mind that the first mass M ascends h and has velocity v, second and third ascend h/2 and have velocity v/2 and the last one descends h and has velocity v.

Then

E2 = 9/4 Mv^2 + 3Mgh

Is that true? Then the rest is clear :)
 
No, I guess BvU is saying to use string constraints.
A detailed explanation for proceeding, if you don't know what string contraint is, can be found
Part A
Part B
 
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Thanks, that's extremely helpful!
Had no idea about such thing!
 

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