What is the specific heat of the liquid?

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The problem involves a point source emitting thermal energy and a cylindrical container filled with liquid placed at a certain distance from the source. The objective is to determine the specific heat of the liquid based on the heat gained and lost over time, considering the temperature change of the liquid.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to model the heat transfer using a hypothetical spherical surface and considers the rates of heat gained and lost. Some participants suggest simplifying the problem by assuming a uniform temperature in the liquid and discussing the fraction of heat that enters the liquid.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, including the concept of solid angles and the assumptions regarding heat transfer in the surrounding medium. Some guidance has been offered regarding the simplification of equations based on the assumption of a stirred tank.

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There is a lack of information regarding the medium surrounding the container, and assumptions about the heat transfer dynamics are being discussed. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their approach and the correctness of their reasoning.

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A point source s emits thermal heat energy H every second uniformly in all directions. A cylindrical container with radius R, which contains a liquid of mass m, is placed at a distance h above the source, look at the picture. After t seconds, the temperature of the liquid increases from T1 to T2. If the heat lost from the container in one second is H', determine the specific heat of the liquid. Neglect the heat capacity of the container.

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The Attempt at a Solution



Let's assume a hypothetical spherical surface enclosing the point source S whose radius changes with time at a constant rate(similar to a wavefront in case of sound wave). Let the rate of change of radius be v. Then time taken when radius of the surface becomes h is equal to t_0=h/v and time when its radius becomes equal to √(R^2+h^2) is t'=√(R^2+h^2)/v. The liquid present in the container starts gaining heat as soon as radius becomes h. Simultaneously it loses heat at a rate H'. Let after a time t, the radius changes to R+dR in time dt, where t_0<t<t'.

Heat gained = Hdt
Heat lost = H'dt
Hdt-H'dt = (dm) s d(ΔT)

But from here, I'm lost. I don't have any idea how to proceed ahead? I'm also not sure what I'm doing here is correct or even makes sense. Forgive me for that. :redface:
 
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Heat waves travel very fast in the surroundings of the container. We can assume air or vacuum, no information is provided in the formulation, so we don't have to worry. A certain fraction f of H goes into the liquid. The fraction is determined by the stereo angle (dependent on h and R).
If the formulation mentions only one temperature of the liquid, I am inclined to see this as a stirred tank: same T everywhere in the liquid. And your eqn simplifies quite a bit:

(fH - H') dt = m cp dT​
 
BvU said:
Heat waves travel very fast in the surroundings of the container. We can assume air or vacuum, no information is provided in the formulation, so we don't have to worry. A certain fraction f of H goes into the liquid. The fraction is determined by the stereo angle (dependent on h and R).
If the formulation mentions only one temperature of the liquid, I am inclined to see this as a stirred tank: same T everywhere in the liquid. And your eqn simplifies quite a bit:

(fH - H') dt = m cp dT​

Stereo Angle?? What's that?
 
utkarshakash said:
Stereo Angle?? What's that?

Solid angle I guess.
 
Yep. Solid angle.
And heat waves don't necessarily travel fast. In this exercise, they do.
 
The answer is

[itex]\dfrac{Ht \left( 1- \dfrac{h}{\sqrt{h^2+R^2}} \right) -2H't}{2m(T_2 - T_1)}[/itex]
 
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