What is the use of representing wavefunctions as an exponential?

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The discussion revolves around the representation of wavefunctions in quantum mechanics, specifically the use of complex exponentials versus real trigonometric functions. Participants explore the mathematical convenience, physical implications, and conditions under which these representations are valid, addressing both linear and nonlinear equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that representing wavefunctions as complex exponentials is a matter of mathematical convenience, as calculations can often be simplified using this approach.
  • Others question the reliability of using complex numbers without verifying results against real sine and cosine functions, particularly in nonlinear contexts.
  • It is suggested that in linear equations, the complex representation allows for decomposition into real and imaginary parts without loss of generality.
  • Some argue that the choice of using the real part of a complex function is more poetic than scientific, emphasizing that arbitrary splitting of functions does not guarantee valid solutions.
  • Participants note that while complex representations can simplify calculations, they may not yield the desired physical quantities in certain contexts, such as mechanical systems described by real wave equations.
  • There is mention of the potential confusion arising from the relationship between complex numbers and their physical meanings, with some advocating for clearer explanations in physics literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the use of complex exponentials. While some acknowledge their mathematical convenience, others raise concerns about their physical interpretation and applicability in nonlinear scenarios. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the linearity of equations for the validity of complex representations, as well as the unresolved nature of how to interpret physical meanings from complex solutions.

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what is the use of representing wavefunctions say [tex]\psi(x,t)=A\cos(kx-\omega t)[/tex] by [tex]\psi(x,t)=Ae^{i(kx-\omega t)}[/tex] when we actually mean the real part
 
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It's purely a matter of mathematical convenience. In principle, we can solve any calculation involving a classical wave using only sines and cosines. However, some calculations are easier to do using complex exponentials.
 
yes i saw some but how cwn we be so sure that whatever we do using the complex numbers is right withoput checking them with the cos and sin
 
pardesi said:
yes i saw some but how cwn we be so sure that whatever we do using the complex numbers is right withoput checking them with the cos and sin

the reason is simple: generally you only use the complex plane wave representation in case you are dealing with a linear(wave) equation. But if it's linear you may may compose from or decompose into real and imaginary part (sine and cosine) without loss of generality.

If you have a nonlinear equation (even if it's one that "naturally" involves complex numbers) then using sin/cos won't give you an exact solution anyway.
 
Some authors first give the solution as a complex function, and then say "we choose the real part, because only it has physical meaning." That is something that, I would say, is closer to poetry than to science. Of course you cannot just split arbitrary solution f into sum of two functions, f=f_1+f_2, and hope that these functions f_1 and f_2 alone would still be solutions. Complex numbers and physical meanings are there only to add confusion.

If the PDE is linear, then that gives the correct result because the real trigonometric functions can be written as linear combinations of complex exponential functions.

Sometimes the easiness seems to stem from the fact that in can be frustrating to use the trigonometric formulas such as cos(A+B)=cos(A)cos(B)-sin(A)sin(B) and sin(A+B)=sin(A)cos(B)+sin(B)cos(A), when the formula exp(A+B)=exp(A)exp(B) is much easier. Although I don't think I have example of this right now.
 
You don't necessarily need to take the real part. You can just as well represent the wave by a complex number by identifying the amplitude with the absolute value of the complex number and the phase by the phase of the complex number.
 
jostpuur said:
If the PDE is linear, then that gives the correct result because the real trigonometric functions can be written as linear combinations of complex exponential functions.

I shall add: if the complex conjugate is also a solution then adding the wave and its complex conjugate amounts to taking the real part.

I agree that physics authors are too reluctant to mention the seemingly obvious, which can be quite irritating for a novice.
 
Count Iblis said:
You don't necessarily need to take the real part. You can just as well represent the wave by a complex number by identifying the amplitude with the absolute value of the complex number and the phase by the phase of the complex number.

If you are discribing for example a mechanical string, which is described by a real wave equation, you won't get what you really want (i.e. the time dependent elongation) by calculating the complex modulus (that's always a positive number !). What you would get instead is the RMS time average over one period, and this is indeed a very useful property if this is what you are interested in. This is used for example in the Poynting theorem in Fourier space (see Jackson, Electrodynamics).
 
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