What is the use of sodium bicarbonate and electrolyzed water?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the use of sodium bicarbonate and electrolyzed water as components in a cleaning agent. Participants explore the effectiveness, chemical properties, and marketing claims associated with these substances, with a focus on their applications in home cleaning and potential historical uses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the efficacy of electrolyzed water, suggesting it may not differ from regular water and labeling it as "snake oil."
  • Others mention that sodium bicarbonate is a known cleaning agent effective for certain stains and can be combined with other substances for DIY cleaning solutions.
  • A historical reference is made to the use of sodium bicarbonate during the Manhattan Project for cleaning uranium contamination, indicating its effectiveness in specific contexts.
  • Some participants propose that the term "electrolyzed water" may refer to deionized water, which is treated to remove certain ions that could affect cleaning efficiency.
  • There are discussions about the chemical structure of the detergents involved, with speculation about the presence of epoxides and biodegradable surfactants.
  • One participant explains the process of creating bleach through the electrolysis of saltwater, noting the pH levels and stability of the resulting hypochlorite solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity and effectiveness of electrolyzed water, with some viewing it as a marketing gimmick while others acknowledge its potential historical applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the actual properties and efficacy of the cleaning agent in question.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the chemical processes involved, the definitions of terms like "electrolyzed water," and the specific formulations of the cleaning agent. The strength and stability of the solutions discussed are also not clearly established.

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I've bought a cleaning agent which advertises that it contains "sodium bicarbonate and electrolyzed water"and is "different" from normal cleaning detergent.

In fact, what is the home use of such chemicals??
 
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Snake oil if you ask me. No such thing as "electrolyzed water" (as in: no matter what they did to it, it doesn't differ from normal water).
 
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Borek said:
Snake oil if you ask me. No such thing as "electrolyzed water" (as in: no matter what they did to it, it doesn't differ from normal water).

Snake oil? But it was bought in Daiso, a quite well-reputed company
 
Borek said:
No such thing as "electrolyzed water"
Well, I'm also surprised that there is
Yet, I think it is still mostly snake oil, especially in this context and if stored for some time.

kenny1999 said:
I've bought a cleaning agent which advertises that it contains "sodium bicarbonate and electrolyzed water"and is "different" from normal cleaning detergent.
It really is: apparently it is effective in case you have to deal with uranium contamination o0)

During the Manhattan Project to develop the nuclear bomb in the early 1940s, the chemical toxicity of uranium was an issue. Uranium oxides were found to stick very well to cotton cloth, and did not wash out with soap or laundry detergent. However, the uranium would wash out with a 2% solution of sodium bicarbonate.
 
Well, sodium bicarbonate is a cleaning agent which is able to clean stains, and can be used as DIY Drainex with sodium chloride and acetic acid(vinegar)
 
Rive said:
Well, I'm also surprised that there is

Surprise.

Still, mostly a marketing gimmick, fancy name for a weak bleach. Especially if they add bicarbonate and increase pH.
 
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The information at the end of Rive's link makes it sound unlikely that this is what this product is.
My first guess was that it was the advertising name for deionised water, i.e. 'softened', i.e. water from which anions, in particular Ca2+ ions which diminish the cleaning activity of (an)ionic detergents have been removed
according to the so-called "technical sheet" https://people.filasolutions.com/po...-data-sheets/Uk - english/filacleaner-ing.pdf
There is some anionic detergent in the product but it is mainly a non-ionic detergent that has a polar but non-ionising end, an epoxide.

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I doubt it has an active epoxide as part of the detergent’s structure. Perhaps the ring-opened structure ... an alcohol. Or better yet, polyethylene oxide or polypropylene oxide or both. A short chain polyether with an OH terminus. Very common these days for use in biodegradable surfactants.
 
From the Wiki
yielding a solution of Hypochlorous acid (HOCl) and sodium hydroxide (NaOH).
If common tablel salt is added to water, ...
Not sure I get the Wiki article discussion.
 
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Electrolyzed water is just a dilute solution of hypochlorite or bleach. Bleach itself is made in just this way. Salt water brine is electrolyzed to produce Cl2 and NaOH. Bleach is more reactive the lower the pH, so going from a high (~pH 12-14) NaOH solution to a pH of ~8-9 gives you a more reactive solution of hypochlorite and the NaOH is pretty much neutralized. Bicarb becomes a bicarb/carbonate buffer. I believe it stays at around pH 9.
No idea as to the strength of this solution but hypochlorite at these pHs is fairly unstable and I would expect it to decompose to a fairly dilute titer.

Safer version of hard surface cleaner with bleach?
 
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