What is this H+ particle, is it related to the Higgs Bosons and is it proven?

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The discussion revolves around the H+ particle mentioned in the context of particle decay processes, specifically relating to top and anti-top quark decays. Participants explore whether this particle is associated with the Higgs bosons and the nature of its proof within the framework of particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a decay process involving a top quark decaying into an H+ particle and a bottom quark, questioning the nature and proof of the H+ particle's existence.
  • Another participant associates the H+ particle with a hydrogen ion, suggesting a possible misunderstanding of the term.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the charged Higgs boson, linking it to supersymmetric extensions of the standard model and two-Higgs doublet models.
  • Concerns are raised about the meaning of "proven" in the context of the Higgs boson, with a participant emphasizing the disconnect between theoretical Feynman diagrams and experimental evidence.
  • There is a mention of potential inaccuracies in the decay processes discussed, particularly regarding tau decays.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the H+ particle and the Higgs bosons, as well as the validity of Feynman diagrams in representing physical reality. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of relying solely on Feynman diagrams to represent physical processes, indicating a need for experimental validation. There are also unresolved questions regarding the specific decay processes mentioned.

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I am currently looking at a diagram of a top and anti top decay. The anti top decays into a weak boson and an anti bottom and the weak then decays into an electron and electron anti-neutrino. On the other side the top decays into a H+ particle and a bottom.

What is this H+ particle, is it related to the Higgs Bosons and is it proven?
 
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HarryDaniels said:
I am currently looking at a diagram

Where?
 
Doesnt matter now, it was a google picture which wasnt objective, sorry for the post.
 
H+ particle associates for me with a .. hydrogen ion - basically a proton..
 
Thanks.
And I meant a tauon anti-tauon.
 
The charged Higgs boson, in supersymmetric extensions to the standard model and two-Higgs doublet models.
 
Does that mean that the Higgs boson is proven?
 
HarryDaniels said:
Does that mean that the Higgs boson is proven?

what do you mean "proven"?

There is no connection between Feynman diagrams and what is seen in experiments... I can make up any model and thus Feynman diagrams I want... what makes you think that just because there is a certain Feynman diagram that must reflect the physical reality?
 
HarryDaniels said:
And I meant a tauon anti-tauon.
tau decays to b,H? There are at least two things wrong with that, I think.
 
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ansgar said:
what do you mean "proven"?

There is no connection between Feynman diagrams and what is seen in experiments... I can make up any model and thus Feynman diagrams I want... what makes you think that just because there is a certain Feynman diagram that must reflect the physical reality?

one of the rules of Feynman diagrams is that it has to represent a possible process that can occur in nature.
 
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HarryDaniels said:
I am currently looking at a diagram of a top and anti top decay. The anti top decays into a weak boson and an anti bottom and the weak then decays into an electron and electron anti-neutrino. On the other side the top decays into a H+ particle and a bottom.

What is this H+ particle, is it related to the Higgs Bosons and is it proven?
in one of my books, i have that t decays to a W which then decays into an anti muon and muon neutrino.
 

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