What kind of math test do you like best?

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The discussion revolves around preferences for math tests in pure math courses, particularly focusing on in-class tests versus take-home tests. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the effectiveness of different testing formats, including the role of proofs and the pressure of timed assessments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a preference for tests that are primarily focused on proofs, particularly longer proofs from the textbook, while noting the stress associated with numerical problems and the aftermath of test performance.
  • Another participant argues against the inclusion of proofs on tests, suggesting that original proofs under pressure do not effectively contribute to learning.
  • A participant mentions that they have only experienced one in-class test, preferring take-home tests as a better fit for the course material.
  • Some participants share a belief that traditional in-class tests do not enhance their skills as mathematicians or physicists, viewing them as a means for professors to enforce accountability.
  • Conversely, one participant enjoys the pressure of proofs on in-class exams, finding value in the on-the-spot nature of such assessments.
  • Another participant advocates for tests that introduce new concepts and require the application of learned material, while expressing disdain for proofs that necessitate original constructions due to their complexity and time consumption.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a range of opinions regarding the value and format of math tests, with no clear consensus on the best approach. Some favor proofs and the pressure of in-class tests, while others prefer take-home tests or criticize the use of proofs in timed settings.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various limitations of in-class tests, including the inability to fully assess understanding under time constraints and the potential for stress to hinder performance. There is also mention of differing educational philosophies regarding the purpose of testing in mathematics.

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If you're taking a pure math course with lots of proofs and hard homework (typical grad-level stuff) what kind of tests do you like best? I'm talking about in-class tests.

I like a test that is mostly proofs, with about half of them from the book. I like like longer proofs from the book better, the short ones are too tricky. I don't like numerical problems much, as I make a lot of dumb mistakes then spend the days after the test beating myself up over it.

Still, I guess it is an important part of the process of learning to go under the gun every now and then. But it's just so AWFUL when you look back and think of all the things you did wrong (and you think I should know better! I'm a math major!) and it embarrassing and terrifying.

I've gotten to the point where I can manage the pre-test stress OK, but waiting to see how I did and thinking about all of the dumb mistakes I've made AFTER the test is so depressing. How can I make this more constructive for myself? Will it ever get any better? I have two more years to go before I get my masters, and I'm looking forward to learning but dreading failure.
 
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i absolutely do not understand the point of proofs on tests. give me long projects sure, but sitting there and thinking up an original proof is not something that anyone should have to do under pressure. it's just dumb and doesn't teach you anything.
 
ice109, what sort of thing do you like to see on in in-class test?
 
I've only had one class like that so far, and we only had one in class test. The rest were take home tests, which I feel worked much better. I just don't feel like you can really do justice to that type of class at all with an in class test.
 
futurebird said:
ice109, what sort of thing do you like to see on in in-class test?
i think traditional tests are absolutely pointless. i will not become a better mathematician or physicist by doing things fast. all they are are a way for a lazy professor to hold you responsible.
LukeD said:
I've only had one class like that so far, and we only had one in class test. The rest were take home tests, which I feel worked much better. I just don't feel like you can really do justice to that type of class at all with an in class test.
i wholly agree.
 
I enjoy having proofs on in-class exams: I enjoy the pressure and the on-the-spot feel to them.
 
I like learning something new in tests. A good in-class test, IMO, should introduce new concepts (i.e., some new definitions), and have you apply what you have learned in class to these new concepts (i.e., explore some properties of these new definitions).

And while I do tend to do good on them, I despise tests which focus on proofs that rely on some original construction. You know, those proofs that take you two hours to figure out, until you finally dream up the answer and write the 3-line proof. They can make good homework, but they're utterly useless as for testing purposes.
 

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