What Length of Bungee Cord Should the Daredevil Use?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a daredevil planning to bungee jump from a height of 65.0 m, using an elastic cord that follows Hooke's law. The goal is to determine the appropriate length of the cord to ensure he stops 10.0 m above the ground after falling from rest. The discussion includes aspects of gravitational force, elastic potential energy, and the dynamics of free fall.

Discussion Character

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between gravitational force and the spring constant, questioning how to derive the spring constant from the given information about the cord's stretch under weight.
  • Some participants attempt to set up energy balance equations to relate gravitational potential energy to the elastic potential energy of the cord.
  • There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of the length of the cord and how it relates to the distance fallen and the stretch of the cord.
  • Questions arise about the maximum acceleration experienced by the jumper and how to calculate it based on the forces acting on him.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various participants offering insights and attempting to clarify the relationships between the forces and energies involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the setup of equations, but there is still uncertainty about the correct approach to find the length of the cord and the maximum acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the jumper must not exceed a certain length of cord to avoid impacting the ground, emphasizing the importance of correctly calculating the cord length based on the fall distance and the required stopping point.

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Homework Statement


A daredevil plans to bungee jump from a balloon 65.0 m above a carnival midway. He will use a uniform elastic cord, tied to a harness around his body, to stop his fall at a point 10.0 m above the ground. Model his body as a particle and the cord as having negligible mass and obeying Hooke's law. In a preliminary test, hanging at rest from a 5.00 m length of the cord, he finds that his body weight stretches it by 1.50 m. He will drop from rest at the point where the top end of a longer section of the cord is attached to the stationary balloon.
(a) What length of cord should he use?
(b) What maximum acceleration will he experience?


Homework Equations


F_cord = -kx
F_gravity = mg
U_cord = .5kx^2
U_body = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution


Uh.. well, I searched the forum and someone had asked a strikingly similar question. From what I read, I should find k by setting the F_gravity to the F_cord, so mg = -kx
In that case.. k would be -mg/x
Then, the potential energy lost from traveling from 65 m to 10 m should equal the potential energy of the cord at 10 m. Thus,
mgh_f-mgh_i=.5kx^2
mgh_f-mgh_i = .5(-mg/x)x^2
h_f-h_i = -.5x
-55 = -.5x
110 = x
... but that would be the length the cord stretched... right? And that would be... the farthest distance it could cover.. Then, the length of the cord would be 110 m?

Then.. to find the max acceleration, ... I'm quite confused. I know the only forces acting on the person is due to gravity and that in the spring.. but what acceleration is there?

Thanks for any help
 
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The balloon is at 65 m, so the length of the cord must not be 110 m or the jumper goes splat.

OK, think about the problem.

Falling from 65 m to stop at 10 m, the jumper plans to fall 55 m.

The jumper will 'free-fall' a distance x, the length of the cord, before it starts stretching, so the jumper has kinetic energy = mgx at this point. Then the jumper must decelerate to stop at 10 m from the ground or total distance of 55 m.

The jumper then recoils, subject to a force F = kd, where d is the extension of the cord from equilibrium, and k is the spring constant.

In a preliminary test, hanging at rest from a 5.00 m length of the cord, he finds that his body weight stretches it by 1.50 m.
Determine the spring constant from this.
 
Astronuc said:
The jumper then recoils, subject to a force F = kd, where d is the extension of the cord from equilibrium, and k is the spring constant.

Determine the spring constant from this.

How? We have no force variable given
I know that F = -kx, and U = 1/2kx^2.. but...
 
twotaileddemon said:
How? We have no force variable given
I know that F = -kx, and U = 1/2kx^2.. but...
What is weight? If k is in terms of m, the do what one did with
mgh_f-mgh_i=.5kx^2
mgh_f-mgh_i = .5(-mg/x)x^2
 
Astronuc said:
What is weight? If k is in terms of m, the do what one did with


mgh_f = mgh_i = .5kx^2
k = 2mgh/x^2...?
 
the weight should just be.. mg?
so mg = kx?
k = mg/x
 
twotaileddemon said:
the weight should just be.. mg?
so mg = kx?
k = mg/x
Be careful there, the x needs to be the displacement of the spring/cord.

The 5 m length stetches 1.5 m, so k(1.5m) = mg.
 
using k = mg/1.5 then...
mg(hf-hi) = .5kx^2
mg(hf_hi) = .5(mg/1.5)x^2
h = .5x^2/1.5
3(55) = x^2
x = 12.84 m.. which still doesn't make sense, because the length shold be much greater
 
Try writing the energy balance equation.

Assuming no dissipative forces, the energy in the spring must equal the GPE of the free fall (which equals the kinetic energy of the jumper before the cord stretches) and the work done by the cord when it stretches.

Now the cord has length L which one is trying to find, so the jumper freefalls this length (height). Then the cord stretches, some length d, and decelerates the jumper to a stop (v=0). BUT, since the stretched cord must stop at 10 m, and the jumper started at 65 m, the stretched core must have length 55 m, so the displacement d of the core must be 55-L.

See where that takes one.

Think about an elevator slowing down. Think of g+a.
 

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