What Makes Materials Transparent at the Molecular Level?

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The discussion revolves around the molecular mechanisms that contribute to the transparency of materials, particularly in the context of glass and transparent plastics. Participants explore the relationship between particle size, light scattering, and the potential impact of incorporating nanotubes into materials designed for future applications, such as car windshields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the size of particles affects light scattering, with smaller particles scattering light to a lesser degree than larger ones, though this may not relate directly to molecular structure.
  • There is a proposal to consider quantum mechanics to understand why certain materials absorb light and others do not, which contributes to their transparency.
  • One participant describes a project involving the integration of nanotubes and nanopumps into car windshields to manage water, raising questions about how this would affect the transparency of the glass.
  • Concerns are raised about the material composition of the nanotubes and pumps, including their potential to absorb light in the visible and UV spectrum, which could impact transparency.
  • Another participant questions how closely packed the nanotubes would need to be for effective operation and whether this would lead to significant light scattering.
  • There is an inquiry into the methods of removing water or converting it to gas using the nanotubes, suggesting the need for further clarification on the proposed mechanisms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the effects of nanotubes on transparency, with no consensus reached on how many nanotubes would be too many for maintaining transparency in glass. The discussion includes both supportive and cautionary perspectives on the implications of the proposed project.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity on the assumptions regarding the materials used and their interactions with light, as well as the potential effects of UV exposure on the proposed nanotube structures.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those involved in materials science, nanotechnology, and engineering, particularly in applications related to optics and product design.

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I remember learning that in mixtures if the particles were small enough light would go through and make it trasparent, my question is how/does this relates to things like glass or trasparent plastic? What at the molecular level makes something transparent?
 
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"particles were small enough, light would go through"

do you mean light scattering?

Smaller particle scatter light in lower degree and larger particle in higher degree. This is not related to molecular structure...
 
Also, if you want to talk about why certain things do absorb and others don't (thus transparent) we would need to go into some quantum mechanics and look at something like glass as a SHO.
 
thx, for the answers, and i don't think going into quantum physics would do anything but confuse me, so maybe i can be more precise about what i want to know and someone might be able to explaine it that way. This question comes from a problem that my group for chemistry class is facing in designing this new product that could be produced in 25 years(2029). We decided to do this thing where we add nanotubes and nanopumps to the windshields of a car so that when it rains the water molecules can be absorbed, collected, changed into a gaseous form, and released. The thing is that we did a really good job in our paper and now we are going ot have ot present in this conpetition, and we think it might be good if we could give some scientific explanation of why the nanotubes would not stop the glass from being transparent. Can somebody give me some idea of how this might work or what should be done so that the glass is still transparent?
 
Now your question would lend me to ask, how many nanotubes/pumps would you need? Then i would say, what are these nanotubes and pumps made out of? Organic molecules CAN abosorb in visible, but also absorb in UV so think about your UV exporsure too, there things will be in the blaring sun of the day, will they degredate or be detsroyed? Plus, you have a light scattering problem, it's possible that they might scatter light. So things to keep in mind
 
The nanotubes are made up of Buckyballs (Buckminsterfullerene, C60). And about how many would be needed, we decided to attach charged ions on the ends of it to attract the water molecules and we are assuming that by the year 2029 a very powerfull nanopump will be created, therefore we are assuming that we will not need too many, we haven't really specified on how many we would need, which brings me back too my main question how many would be to many for the glass to be transparent?
 
I remember asking why glass is transparent in this forum, try searching for it?
 
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interesting project...

but remember that if you want the nanotube network to be effective, then those nanotube should be closely packed, and if so, light scattering would occur significantly...

also, how you pump water away or turn water to gas ??
by applying electric potential between the nanotube ? or using light energy??

it's really interesting, would you mind telling me more??
I think many guy here would think so...(isn't it?)
 
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