What makes physics feel like magic?

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The discussion revolves around the perception of physics as "magic," exploring various aspects of quantum mechanics, atomic physics, and the philosophical implications of scientific theories. Participants engage in a debate about the nature of scientific theories versus philosophies, the limitations of current knowledge in physics, and the mysterious qualities of physical phenomena.

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  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that quantum mechanics feels most like magic due to its counterintuitive nature.
  • There is a contention about whether quantum theory (QT) should be classified as a philosophy or a science, with some arguing that testable theories are scientific, while others assert QT lacks the ability to be "witnessed."
  • Participants discuss the relationship between atomic physics and quantum mechanics, with claims that both are applications of QT.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the limitations of current knowledge in explaining the properties of particles, including their charge and mass.
  • Some express that witnessing in physics requires consistent acknowledgment and measurement of phenomena, referencing ideas from physicist J. A. Wheeler.
  • One participant reflects on the mysterious aspects of physics, particularly in relativity, where explanations seem elusive.
  • There is a disagreement about the validity of inferring the nature of atoms based on their absence in certain discussions about subatomic physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the classification of quantum theory and its relationship to atomic physics. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing opinions on the nature of witnessing in physics and the implications of current scientific understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the philosophical status of scientific theories and the complex relationship between philosophical analysis and scientific practice, noting that the understanding of scientific entities may vary across different branches of science.

  • #31
Being a little bit of a Hawking fan and someone who has read the book a number of times, I feel compelled to defend him here: elas has not provided a quote and admitted he's added his own interpretations. I'm don't feel compelled to accept that interpretation at face value. It'd surprise me greatly if Hawking said, or even implied, that QT is not science. Do you have a quote, elas (I'll attempt to find one tonight)?

Further, none of the quotes from other sources that elas did post support his position. He's implying his own spin and interpreting them differently than a scientist would.
 
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Have just recovered from several days of ISP problems. Will give considered reply as soon as possible. Have revised introduction to webpage; Table explanation will be revised next. Delighted to see debate continues.
 

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