What methods can be used to ionize substances?

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The discussion revolves around the methods used to ionize substances, exploring concepts related to ionization temperature, the transition to plasma, and various techniques for achieving ionization. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical methods, and the conditions affecting ionization.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about a list of substances and their ionization temperatures, suggesting that such a list may exist.
  • One participant questions the existence of a specific ionization temperature, referencing the Saha ionization equation and noting that ionization is a gradual process influenced by temperature and other factors.
  • Another participant emphasizes that heating alone may not effectively ionize substances, as many molecules may break apart before losing electrons, and asks for clarification on what is meant by "substance."
  • It is proposed that ionization can occur through methods other than heating, such as using specific frequencies of light, which can eject electrons, similar to the photoelectric effect.
  • Participants mention that ionization can also occur when substances are dissolved in water, indicating a different context for ionization.

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Participants express differing views on the concept of ionization temperature and the methods for ionizing substances. There is no consensus on a definitive list of ionization temperatures or a singular method for ionization, indicating an unresolved discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in defining ionization temperature and the dependence on various factors such as phase, pressure, and the specific nature of the substance being ionized.

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Hello!
Is there a list of substances and their ionisation temperature?
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Wow, I didn't know I was also looking for this until I read. By Ionisation you mean the temperature needed for a substance to become a plasma? There must be such list, tough it may also depend on the pressure applied to said substance.
 
Are you sure something like ionization temperature exists? The closest related thing I can think of is the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saha_ionization_equation - if you will read the article you will see there is no point at which gas becomes ionized, rather amount of ionized gas grows with the temperature (and additionally depends on many other factors).

In this context the only thing precisely defined (and yielding a precise number) is the ionization energy.
 
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mmm, and what are the methods to ionize a substance?
if not, providing it heat?
 
physea said:
mmm, and what are the methods to ionize a substance?
if not, providing it heat?
First, what do you mean by substance? If you just heat them up, most molecules will break apart before losing electrons. Are you also talking about the gas phase? Many substances separate into ions when dissolved in water.

Considering atoms, there is no ionization temperature per se, except for the phase transition to plasma. But simply sending the right frequency of light can be enough to kick out an electron (same as for solids in the photoelectric effect). And light is not the only ionization radiation.
 

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