What Physics Principle Explains Why a Balloon Shoots Out When Air Rushes Out?

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The discussion revolves around the physics principles that explain the behavior of a balloon when air rushes out, specifically focusing on the forces and laws of motion involved in this phenomenon.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore whether Newton's second or third law applies to the balloon's motion. There is a comparison made to rocket propulsion and discussions about pressure differences and their effects on force. Some participants question the role of gravity in this scenario.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the forces at play. Some participants suggest that pressure differences are key, while others focus on the implications of Newton's laws. There is no explicit consensus yet, but multiple lines of reasoning are being examined.

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Participants are considering the effects of pressure and gravity on the balloon's behavior, as well as the implications of applying Newton's laws in this context. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in the problem, particularly when comparing it to rocket propulsion scenarios.

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When the air rush out of a balloon, it shoots out. What physics principle is responsible for this behavior?

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Is it due to Newton's 2 nd law or 3 rd law??

We can compare this to a rocket propulsion. We can explain this using Newton's second law (conservation of momentum when Fnet = 0). However, it is true only if net force = 0. But we know that the balloon also will shoot up, if the balloon's open end is pointing down. How do I explain this because now force of gravity is acting on the system.
 
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Huh? I don't think you need take that approach at all, because a blown-up balloon is a very high pressure confined area, by 'letting' it go, you're allowing the pressure to 'equilibrate?' (is that a word? :P), basically the air in the balloon is bieng crushed together, and when you let it go it's free to move apart to an area of low pressure (where it wants to be)
 


It is a combination of the two. If you draw a free-body diagram at the nozzle, you have two components on each side. There are pressure forces on each side, high inside the balloon, and ambient outside. Multiplied by the area causes a net force.

You also have mass flow, which causes thrust. This can all be lumped into conservation of momentum. It is a textbook problem when discussing that topic in fluid mechanics.
 


So force on air molecules is some thing like, (Pin - Patm) * A where A is the area of the balloon's nozzle. Since this force is caused by pressure difference, and balloon itself did not exert this force on the molecules, can we say that Newton's 3 rd law is not at work here?

I still think, only Newton's 2 nd law is the one causing the balloon to fly backward. I vaguely remember doing a problem of rocket propulsion where we considered the force of gravity. We had a differential equation and we found the velocity of the rocket after some time has elapsed.
 

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