What should i do after using Taylor series?

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The discussion revolves around the application of Taylor series, specifically in the context of substituting the natural logarithm function into an equation. Participants are examining the conversion of an initial equation to a final equation, focusing on the terms generated through the Taylor expansion of ln(1-u).

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of ln(1-u) with its Taylor series expansion and express confusion about deriving the second term in the resulting equation. There are inquiries about potential missing steps or concepts that may not have been learned yet.

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Some participants are attempting to clarify their understanding of the problem and the steps involved. There is a recognition of the need to isolate variables and explore different approaches to reach the desired equation, though no consensus on a specific method has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions related to the Taylor series and the behavior of the variables involved.

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Homework Statement


The first equation on the uploaded paper converts to the last equation.

Homework Equations


when i substitute ln (1-u)=-u-(1/2)(u^2) into the first equation, i can get the first term in (3rd equation).
but the second term of the 3rd equation ?

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried ln(1-u)= -u-(1/2)(u^2)-(u^3)/3, then by completing the square. yet can't get. i wonder is that any way that i not yet learn.
please guide what to do. Thank you.
 

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Outrageous said:

Homework Statement


The first equation on the uploaded paper converts to the last equation.


Homework Equations


when i substitute ln (1-u)=-u-(1/2)(u^2) into the first equation, i can get the first term in (3rd equation).
but the second term of the 3rd equation ?


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried ln(1-u)= -u-(1/2)(u^2)-(u^3)/3, then by completing the square. yet can't get. i wonder is that any way that i not yet learn.
please guide what to do. Thank you.
I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase what you are asking?

Though, I'll point out (as a fun fact) that, analytically, ##x_{\text{max}}=\dot{x}_0\frac{g \operatorname{W}\left(\frac{-e^{\frac{-\gamma \dot{z}_0}{g}-1} (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}{g}\right)+g+\gamma \dot{z}_0}{\gamma (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}##, where ##\text{W}## is the Lambert W function. It's pretty. :-p
 
Mandelbroth said:
I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase what you are asking?

Though, I'll point out (as a fun fact) that, analytically, ##x_{\text{max}}=\dot{x}_0\frac{g \operatorname{W}\left(\frac{-e^{\frac{-\gamma \dot{z}_0}{g}-1} (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}{g}\right)+g+\gamma \dot{z}_0}{\gamma (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}##, where ##\text{W}## is the Lambert W function. It's pretty. :-p

He's asking why he didn't get the second term in ##x_{max}## equation after he had substituted the natural logarithm with its Taylor expansion. He managed only to recreate the first term. Is there anything that he missed?
 
Let's see what I can do:

$$\left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\ln\left(1-\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)=0 \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\\ \text{For clarity and ease of notation, I now substitute the variable } u \text{ for}\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}. \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma ^2}\right)u=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(u+\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}\cdots\right)\\ 0=\frac{\dot{z}_0 u}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}+\cdots \right)$$

Can you take it from there, Outrageous?
 
Mandelbroth said:
Let's see what I can do:

$$\left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\ln\left(1-\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)=0 \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\\ \text{For clarity and ease of notation, I now substitute the variable } u \text{ for}\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}. \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma ^2}\right)u=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(u+\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}\cdots\right)\\ 0=\frac{\dot{z}_0 u}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}+\cdots \right)$$

Can you take it from there, Outrageous?

Thanks for replies.
My question is exactly like what Seydlitz said.
Then after that, what should I do next?
 
Outrageous said:
Thanks for replies.
My question is exactly like what Seydlitz said.
Then after that, what should I do next?
Isolate ##u##, substitute back ##u=\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}##, isolate ##x_{\text{max}}##.
 
Mandelbroth said:
Isolate ##u##, substitute back ##u=\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}##, isolate ##x_{\text{max}}##.

Sorry. Can I ask how to isolate u? By using?
 
There are three solutions (if you negect terms higher than O(u^4) ). One of them is u=0.
 
dirk_mec1 said:
There are three solutions (if you negect terms higher than O(u^4) ). One of them is u=0.

One will be u= 0 , then what should I going to do next in order to get ...last equation?
 

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If u is not 0 you can divide it out and you are left with a quadratic equation.
Do you know how to solve something of the form ax² + bx + c = 0?
 
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CompuChip said:
If u is not 0 you can divide it out and you are left with a quadratic equation.
Do you know how to solve something of the form ax² + bx + c = 0?

Use http://www.sosmath.com/algebra/quadraticeq/quadraformula/quadraformula.html formula or by completing the square...
This are two i know but I can't get the last equation I uploaded . Please guide. Thanks TT
 

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