What Should I Do Next to Sketch Level Curves?

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The discussion revolves around the process of sketching level curves for the function V(x,y) = x² - y² - 2x + 4y + 5. Participants explore methods for rearranging the function and completing the square to better understand its geometric representation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with sketching level curves and attempts to find reference points by substituting values for x and y.
  • Another participant clarifies that level curves typically involve functions of two independent variables and suggests completing the square as a method to solve for y.
  • A participant provides a completed square form of the function, suggesting it represents a translated hyperbola.
  • There is a discussion about the algebra involved in rewriting the function, with one participant questioning the accuracy of the completed square form provided by another.
  • A later reply indicates confusion about how to graph the function, noting that typical examples in textbooks have level curves equal to 1.
  • One participant reformulates the function into a more familiar hyperbola form, indicating a potential path forward for graphing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct form of the function after completing the square, and there is some disagreement regarding the algebraic manipulations involved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to sketch the level curves.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made during algebraic manipulations and the dependence on the definitions of level curves. Some mathematical steps remain unresolved.

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[tex]x^{2}-y^{2}-2x+4y+5;[/tex]

let [tex]x^{2}-y^{2}-2x+4y+5 \ = \ c;[/tex]

To sketch this as a level curve, I'm not sure how to proceed. I can't seem to rearrange the function into anything familiar.

For the sake of trying to find a reference point, I let x=0 and found

[tex]y \ = \ 2 \ ^{+}_{-}\sqrt{9-c};[/tex]

then y=0 =>

[tex]x \ = \ 1 \ ^{+}_{-}\sqrt{-4+c};[/tex]

If I let c = 5, I get

[tex]x^{2}-y^{2}-2x+4y = 0;[/tex]

which gives x = 0, x = 2, y = 0, y = 4.

What should I do next?
 
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Level curves are usually for functions f(x,y) = blah i.e. when you have 2 ind. variables. Here you only have one ind... so you can solve for y by completing the square
 
The function that I am trying to draw level curves for is

[tex]V(x,y) =x^{2}-y^{2}-2x+4y+5;[/tex]
 
Well you should be able to rewrite it by completing the square, I'll work this one as example

[tex]V(x,y) = x^2 - y^2 - 2x + 4y + 5 = (x-1)^2 - (y-2)^2 + 8[/tex]

Assuming my algebra is right, does that help you see it?
 
Ok, yeah I see that. It's a translated hyperbola?

I keep getting

[tex]V(x,y) = (x-1)^{2} - (y-2)^{2} +5;[/tex]

Which is a hyperbola centered at (1,2) and translated somewhere 5 units?
 
How are you getting that?

[tex](x-1)^2 - (y-2)^2 + 5 = x^2 - 2x + 1 - (y^2 - 4y + 4) + 5 = x^2 - y^2 - 2x + 4y + 2[/tex]

That's not what you started with?
 
I should have been paying better attention.

How would I graph this? My cal books just have all these guys equal to 1.

[tex]V(x,y) = (x-1)^2 \ - \ (y-2)^2 \ + \ 8 \ = \ c;[/tex]
[tex]V(x,y) = (x-1)^2 \ - \ (y-2)^2 \ = \ c \ - 8;[/tex]
 
Well, if [itex](x - 1)^2 - (y - 2)^2 = c - 8[/itex], then

[tex]\frac{(x - 1)^2}{c - 8} - \frac{(y - 2)^2}{c - 8} = 1.[/tex]

That should be in a slightly more familiar form.
 

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