What significance does brownian motion has to do with coal explosion?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores the relationship between Brownian motion and coal explosions, particularly in the context of underground mining. Participants examine whether the random movement of particles in fluids has implications for gas explosions in coal seams, considering factors such as pressure and the behavior of gas under these conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the significance of Brownian motion in relation to gas explosions in coal seams, asking if this motion occurs under pressure and what techniques could enhance it.
  • Another participant suggests that Brownian motion is a small-scale effect observable only under a microscope, proposing that larger scale effects like ventilation or convection likely dominate the movement of coal dust.
  • A third participant references external material discussing coal dust explosions but notes the absence of Brownian motion in that context, highlighting the hazards posed by finer dust particles due to their larger surface area.
  • Further inquiry is made into the effects of hydrostatic pressure on coal seams and the potential changes in behavior of gas (specifically methane) when it begins to flow under such conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of Brownian motion to coal explosions, with some emphasizing larger scale effects and others questioning the applicability of small-scale phenomena. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of Brownian motion in this context.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the scale of effects in coal seams and the specific conditions under which gas behaves. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or physical implications of these factors.

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What significance does brownian motion has to do with coal explosion?[Brownian motion or pedesis is the presumably random moving of particles suspended in a fluid (a liquid or a gas) resulting from their bombardment by the fast-moving atoms or molecules in the gas or liquid.]

Now I wish to know if This movement has anything to do with gas explosion?(Underground mining)
And does this motion happens under pressure in a coal seam?...briefly:

does gas show same property underground?(pressure,fluid,heat)And what techniques could speed it up?

Cheers,
SON
 
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Brownian motion is a small scale effect, typically you need a microscope to observe it. I suspect movement of coal dust is likely to be dominated by larger scale effects such as ventilation or convestion?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_dust_explosion

has some interesting discussion but no mention of Brownian motion...

... Dust is defined as powders with particles less than about 500 micrometres in diameter, but finer dust will present a much greater hazard than coarse particles by virtue of the larger total surface area of all the particles...
 
CWatters said:
Brownian motion is a small scale effect, typically you need a microscope to observe it. I suspect movement of coal dust is likely to be dominated by larger scale effects such as ventilation or convestion?


Thanks
Just wondering how small?(in scale) with coal seam under hydrostatic pressure what could be changed ?imagine a 10 meters thickness of coal (in a range of 10 kilometers) 400 meters under surface, what could we expect to see when many things ,including hydrostatic pressure changes ?and gas(ch4)starts to flow?

Cheers
 

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