What sort of wage should I expect once I graduate my PhD?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around expectations for wages and career paths following the completion of a PhD in particle physics, particularly in the context of opportunities in the UK and continental Europe. Participants explore potential post-doctoral positions, alternative career options, and the job market landscape for physics graduates.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about career options post-PhD, considering both post-doc positions and alternative paths.
  • Another participant shares a link to a salary website as a resource for estimating physicist salaries.
  • Some participants suggest that considering opportunities in continental Europe may be beneficial, citing experiences of UK academics who have pursued post-docs abroad.
  • Concerns are raised about language barriers for UK graduates seeking positions in Europe, particularly regarding the prevalence of English-speaking roles.
  • One participant mentions that many HEP PhDs transition into finance or insurance after post-docs, indicating a potential oversupply of graduates compared to available positions.
  • A participant challenges the claim of "orders of magnitude" difference in job availability, expressing skepticism about the extent of the oversupply.
  • Another participant notes that while CERN is a common destination for HEP graduates, there are also many universities in the EU offering post-doc opportunities.
  • Concerns are raised about potential biases in hiring practices favoring local graduates over foreign ones in the UK.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the job market for physics graduates, with some agreeing on the potential benefits of exploring opportunities in Europe, while others contest the severity of the oversupply of graduates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these factors on expected wages and career paths.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on anecdotal evidence and personal experiences, with some claims lacking empirical support. There are also references to potential biases in hiring practices that are not substantiated with data.

Doofy
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I'm a little bit over half way through my PhD (particle physics) at a good UK university and I don't know what I'll do next. So far the only things in my head are "post-doc" or "something else", but I'd like to know roughly what sort of wage you would be happy with if you were in my shoes, either staying in physics or doing something else.

Further info: I have a 1st class degree/masters from the same uni, I'll be 26 when I graduate, no wife or kids or anything like that.
 
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I would seek data from UK employment bureaus...

But from what I know, have read, and have heard from the mouth of UK academics about post-PhD physics and especially HEP in the UK, you should very seriously consider keeping an open mind to continental Europe for both post-docs and "something else" at least temporarily. I think every single lecturer I knew of at UCL was either foreign-born, foreign-educated, and/or spent a post-doc or two outside of the UK.
 
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Lavabug said:
I would seek data from UK employment bureaus...

But from what I know, have read, and have heard from the mouth of UK academics about post-PhD physics and especially HEP in the UK, you should very seriously consider keeping an open mind to continental Europe for both post-docs and "something else" at least temporarily. I think every single lecturer I knew of at UCL was either foreign-born, foreign-educated, and/or spent a post-doc or two outside of the UK.

I'm not against the idea of leaving the UK, I mean, I've got nothing keeping me here really. My main reservation about it is that I only speak English. When you say continental Europe for HEP graduates, do I take that to mean most end up at CERN?
 
I'm not against the idea of leaving the UK, I mean, I've got nothing keeping me here really. My main reservation about it is that I only speak English. When you say continental Europe for HEP graduates, do I take that to mean most end up at CERN?

Most HEP phds I know ended up in insurance or finance after a brief postdoc stint. There are orders of magnitude more graduates then jobs.
 
Orders of magnitude? Plural? That means a factor 100. I find that hard to believe.
 
Doofy said:
I'm not against the idea of leaving the UK, I mean, I've got nothing keeping me here really. My main reservation about it is that I only speak English. When you say continental Europe for HEP graduates, do I take that to mean most end up at CERN?

That is not necessarily why I said it. CERN is an obvious destination, but there are many universities in the EU where you could carry out post-docs in your field, and you might have an easier time getting into them as a a UK graduate at first than post-docs in the UK, given that there is some bias towards early career home-grown phd's (I have no tables to prove this, just word of mouth from academics), in favor of foreign graduates from Asia and such for post-docs.
 

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