What Symmetry Group Does the Quantum Harmonic Oscillator Exhibit?

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The discussion revolves around the symmetry group exhibited by the quantum harmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the role of parity and the implications for the Hamiltonian's invariance. Participants explore the mathematical representations of these symmetries and their relationships to the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the Hamiltonian of the quantum harmonic oscillator and suggests that the operators related to parity form a symmetry group, questioning how to represent this group.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the meaning of the symbol ##e## and discusses the representation of parity in different vector spaces, proposing that the parity corresponds to the group ##Z_{2}##.
  • A different participant asserts that the Hamiltonian eigenstates are Hermite functions and questions whether the Hamiltonian is invariant under the ##Z_2## group.
  • There is a discussion about the identity of the operators and their relationship to the Hamiltonian, with one participant expressing confusion about the implications of the symmetry group.
  • A later reply corrects a misunderstanding regarding the action of the parity operator on the Hamiltonian, explaining that while the commutation relation ##[P,H] = 0## holds, the product ##PH## does not equal ##H## when applied to functions.
  • The same participant elaborates on the significance of the commutation relation, indicating that it implies the eigenstates of the Hamiltonian are also eigenstates of the parity operator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of understanding regarding the symmetry group and its implications. While some agree on the commutation relation and the nature of the eigenstates, there is no consensus on the interpretation of the symmetry group or the representation of parity.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the definitions and interpretations of the operators involved, as well as the specific vector spaces on which these operators act. There are unresolved questions about the implications of the symmetry group for the Hamiltonian's eigenstates.

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##H=-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+\frac{1}{2}m\omega^2x^2##
Parity
##Px=-x##
end ##e## neutral are group of symmetry of Hamiltonian.
## PH=H##
##eH=H##
so I said it is group of symmetry because don't change Hamiltonian? And ##e## and ##P## form a group under multiplication. Is there any way to right some representation of this group? Thx for the answer.
 
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Your representation depends on the space it acts. For example the parity when acting on the 4 Lorentz vectors in Minkowski space can be represented by diag[1,-1,-1,-1].
On three dim space, it is still diag[-1,-1,-1] so I guess the parity for that is equivalent to Z_{2} so that's why in the Harmonic oscillator you give, your Hamiltonian eigenstates to that of the parity, are the same and they are conserved (being either cosine or sinus )
I am not sure, but I also somehow think it corresponds to the reflections (although it's not the group itself).

So to write a representation, you have to define the vector space the representation acts on.
 
##e## is neutral.
##e^2=e##
This iz ##Z_2## group.
Hamiltonian eigenstates are Hermite functions.
So could I say that ##H## is invariant under ##Z_2##?
 
the identity ok.
Hermite funcs are funcs of fixed parity as well...
I'm not sure if you can, personally I'd prefer saying parity...
 
I'm just confused what I have now when I know that ##\{e,P\}## is symmetry group of Hamiltonian? I know that ##PH=HP=H##. So ##[P,H]=0##. Right?
 
Note that PH (or HP) is not H! Your mistake is that you are acting P on (just) H, but the way you should interpret "PH" is as follows: for any function f, PH is defined as (PH)(f) := P(Hf). And note that for general functions f, P(Hf) won't be the same as Hf! Hence PH is not H.

What is true, however, is indeed [P,H] = 0. Why? Well, again that statement is equivalent to "for any f, [P,H]f = 0", and this is true, because
PH f(x) = P \left[ \left( \alpha \frac{\mathrm d^2}{\mathrm d x^2} + \beta x^2 \right) f(x)\right] = \left( \alpha \frac{\mathrm d^2}{\mathrm d (-x)^2} + \beta (-x)^2 \right) f(-x) = \left( \alpha \frac{\mathrm d^2}{\mathrm d x^2} + \beta x^2 \right) f(-x) = \left( \alpha \frac{\mathrm d^2}{\mathrm d x^2} + \beta x^2 \right) P f(x) = HP f(x)

The value in knowing [P,H] = 0, is that now you know the eigenstates of H are eigenstates of P. Why? Well suppose f is an eigenstate of H, i.e. Hf = Ef.
Then the claim is Pf = \pm f. To see this, note that E Pf = P E f = P Hf = HP f, but this means Pf is an eigenstate of H with eigenvalue E. If we assume there is only one for every energy, then Pf has to be proportional to f! (and it's clear any eigenvalue of P has to square to 1)
 
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