What to Do with 20,000lbs of Sodium?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the disposal of 20,000 pounds of sodium into a lake, exploring the implications and reasoning behind this action. Participants share thoughts on the chemical reactions involved, potential environmental impacts, and critique the decision-making process related to the disposal method.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the rationale for dumping sodium into the lake, questioning why it wasn't transported by military or chemical companies.
  • Others speculate on the environmental impact of the sodium dump, with one suggesting it would dissolve animal flesh and another questioning the long-term effects on the lake's ecosystem.
  • There are discussions about the chemical reactions of sodium with water, including the formation of sodium hydroxide and its potential effects on pH levels.
  • Some participants share anecdotes related to chemical reactions, such as the reaction of sodium with water and magnesium in a bunsen burner, to illustrate the dangers and excitement of handling reactive materials.
  • One participant mentions the historical context of hazardous material disposal practices, comparing past methods to the current situation.
  • Concerns are raised about the volume of water in the lake relative to the amount of sodium dumped, with calculations provided to suggest that the impact may be minimal.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the sodium disposal method or its environmental implications. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the potential effects on the lake and the rationale behind the government's actions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the chemical behavior of sodium in water, the extent of environmental impact, and the historical context of hazardous waste disposal practices. The discussion reflects varying levels of understanding and speculation about these topics.

  • #31
Integral said:
A significant portion of the recoved material could well be common table salt.
Where is all that Chloride coming from to form the NaCl?
I would think it would be much more likely for the Na to form NaOH in solution with the lake water. Then, over a long time, the lake water could absorb Carbon Dioxide from the air and slowly neutralize the NaOH by forming Sodium Bicarbonate, which is much less soluble than NaCl and would precipitate out of solution more easily.

The again, you could very well have some soluble Chloride salt in the water already which could easily form a very insoluble Hydroxide salt, thereby leaving the NaCl behind in solution, but making it slightly harder to recover.
 
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  • #32
mrjeffy321 said:
Where is all that Chloride coming from to form the NaCl?
I would think it would be much more likely for the Na to form NaOH in solution with the lake water. Then, over a long time, the lake water could absorb Carbon Dioxide from the air and slowly neutralize the NaOH by forming Sodium Bicarbonate, which is much less soluble than NaCl and would precipitate out of solution more easily.

The again, you could very well have some soluble Chloride salt in the water already which could easily form a very insoluble Hydroxide salt, thereby leaving the NaCl behind in solution, but making it slightly harder to recover.

Thank you for a much better answer. :smile:
 
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I like how these old movie reels all seem to have the same narrator :biggrin:
 

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