What to do with Theoretical Physics

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The discussion revolves around the career prospects for a student pursuing a master's degree in Mathematics with a focus on theoretical physics. Participants explore the implications of not specializing in a particular area of physics and the potential job opportunities available in industry or academia.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the lack of specialization in their master's program and questions the feasibility of pursuing a PhD or finding relevant job opportunities.
  • Another participant suggests that a master's degree with a mix of theoretical physics courses could still allow for a PhD in either mathematics or physics, emphasizing the flexibility of graduate studies.
  • There is a discussion about the limited job prospects for those with a master's in theoretical physics, with some suggesting finance as an option, while others caution that this may not be the best fit.
  • A participant raises the possibility of teaching at the university level but notes the competitive nature of lecturer positions and the challenges posed by funding cuts in academia.
  • Concerns are voiced about transitioning into engineering roles, highlighting the additional knowledge and skills required beyond theoretical understanding.
  • One participant advocates for the benefits of a broad master's degree, suggesting it prevents being pigeonholed into a specific career path.
  • Another participant notes that while there is demand in finance for mathematics graduates, the focus should be on applied skills rather than theoretical knowledge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of views regarding the value of a broad education versus specialization. There is no consensus on the best career path, with some advocating for further study and others suggesting immediate job opportunities in finance or teaching.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions about job markets, the nature of academic hiring, and the requirements for engineering roles, which may not be universally applicable. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and perspectives on the transition from academia to industry.

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Right, so I intend to do a masters in Mathematics but all the modules I'm going to take are in theoretical physics. I'm going to take a mix of everything from QFT, GR, Fluid Mechanics and Astro, just cause I find it all interesting, but not really specialising in any particular area.

Basically, my question is, what to do next? I think because I'm not really specialising, I probably won't be able to do a Phd so I'm wondering what else there is? Are there any jobs in industry where I can put my knowledge to use or am I better of just doing something completely different like finance?
 
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I am not aware of a masters in mathematics program that will allow you take many courses in theoretical physics, but if one does exist (and you are accepted), then I am sure that upon completion of the degree you would be able to pursue a PhD in either mathematics or physics. In most physics graduate departments, you can easily change your "specialized field" after your masters. For example, I know someone who got her masters in solid state, then immediately switched over to nuclear physics. At the most, it added maybe 1 semester onto her PhD degree. As long as you have the required courses to begin your PhD, it doesn't matter what research/"specialized field" you had in your masters program.

Now, if you are set on studying either math or theoretical physics and you don't want to continue to a PhD, your job choices may be rather limited. You could, of course, go into finance - but then you should have just majored in finance in the first place because those job applicants will probably get hired before you. As far as "industry jobs" go, that normally refers to engineering positions, which you will be totally unqualified for as a theoretical physicist/mathematician. You may be able to find a position in industry, but my guess is that it would be quite difficult since there are so many engineers and experimental physicists out there. Jobs that you are qualified for (and will probably have no problem securing) include teaching at the high school or community college level. Some research universities even hire a couple instructors with only masters degrees (at least in the USA). The problem is that you cannot go too far in a university without your PhD.

I hope I helped some! Good luck with whatever you decide to do. :)
 
Basically it's the fourth year of the undergrad maths degree (upon completion you get both the bachelors and the masters) and for the first two years you do mainly maths but in the second two years you can specialise in theoretical physics. The only thing is I'm doing a mix of courses from different areas as opposed to doing all the courses in one specific area (e.g. Particle Physics).

You mention teaching at high school or college, but what about lecturing at university? I quite enjoy teaching but usually find anything short of calculus based mechanics is not particularly interesting and involves more fact throwing than actual understanding.

As for industry, would it be possible for me just to pick up the engineering side of things somehow? I mean, I'd know all the maths and physics quite well, I just need to learn how to put it to practical use, lol.
 
In my experience, lecturer positions at universities are very hard to get, unless you know people. Almost all hirings in these positions at my current university are internal, either a PhD/Postdoc already at the university, or the spouse of a professor. If you are in a country that is currently reducing science funding, you may be in a worse position for such jobs. As professors get reduced funding for their research, they'll have to teach more courses, so lecturers may not be necessary.

As far as engineering jobs are concerned - it's a lot more than just being good at maths. There are a lot of standards, regulations, and jargon that you simply will not be familiar with unless you sit down and study it.
 
Its actually a very smart idea to get a broad masters degree. This way you will not "pigeonhole" yourself into a career path. Go for your PhD in a subject you find particularly interesting.
 
Bel_Oubli said:
Now, if you are set on studying either math or theoretical physics and you don't want to continue to a PhD, your job choices may be rather limited.

There is a demand in finance for people with masters degrees in mathematics, but they if you want those jobs, you are studying the wrong things. The types of experience that employers want to see in people with masters degrees in mathematics are "applied" things like statistics, optimization, or algorithms.
 

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