The discussion centers around a fourth-year PhD student in high energy theory seeking to transition into industry or community college teaching without programming skills. The consensus is that while lack of programming experience may not completely hinder job prospects, it significantly limits opportunities, especially in technical roles. Many industry positions now require some level of programming, and the few available roles that might not—such as technical sales, project management, and regulatory positions—often still favor candidates with practical experience or a background in experimental physics.The conversation highlights the importance of transferable skills, such as analytical and modeling capabilities, and the potential value of bilingual fluency, particularly in roles involving international clients. Suggestions include exploring consulting, tutoring, or even considering a shift to patent law, where a technical background can be advantageous. However, the challenges of entering patent law without industry experience and the financial burden of law school are noted.