What type of motor would have the highest Stalled Torque?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on identifying the type of electric motor that provides the highest stalled torque, particularly focusing on motors that can deliver significant torque at 0 RPM. Participants explore various motor types and their characteristics, including considerations of torque versus speed, and the implications of stalled torque on motor performance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that traction motors are specifically designed to provide torque from a standstill.
  • Brushless DC servomotors are noted for their ability to maintain full torque at zero RPM.
  • One participant claims that separately-excited DC motors and series-wound DC motors offer maximum stall torque, limited by physical parameters like iron and wire size.
  • A NEMA Design D induction motor is mentioned as having its highest torque at 0 RPM, suitable for high inertia loads.
  • Another participant proposes that DC motors are optimal for achieving maximum torque due to the perpendicular relationship between voltage and current phases.
  • There is a suggestion to consider motors with fewer turns combined with gearboxes to optimize torque and speed characteristics.
  • One participant raises the point that the application context is crucial, noting that hydraulic systems might be preferable in some scenarios over high torque motors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the best motor types for high stalled torque, with no consensus reached on a single optimal solution. Multiple competing views regarding motor types and their characteristics remain evident throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not provided specific applications for the motors discussed, which may influence the suitability of different motor types. Additionally, the discussion includes various assumptions about motor performance and design that are not universally agreed upon.

Sergio Trigos
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I am referring to the output torque of an electric motor when the rotational speed of the rotor is 0 RPM. Some sources say that having a stalled torque damages some motors, and I know that some motors have a constant torque regardless of their speed while others have a max torque at 0 RPM. So If I need an electric motor that can create a decent torque while stalled, which type of motor would be recommended? regardless of weight, size, price, and complexity.

Also if you have a source where I can find torque to speed graphs for the different types of electric motors, that would also be very helpful.
 
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Traction motors are designed to move things starting from a dead stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_motor

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Also if you have a source where I can find torque to speed graphs for the different types of electric motors, that would also be very helpful.

I just go to images.google.com and search for a term like "traction motor speed torque curve" Substitute any other kind of motor you want.
 
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Also if you have a source where I can find torque to speed graphs for the different types of electric motors, that would also be very helpful.
Check motor manufacturer websites such as Baldor, Siemens, ABB, Leeson, Marathon, etc.

You may find this and related articles from the Plant Engineering site useful for general information on motor selection.
 
Brushless DC servomotors can run at full torque all day at zero RPM. Allen-Bradley and Siemens are two well known manufacturers. Here's a link to A-B: http://ab.rockwellautomation.com/Motion-Control/Rotary-Motors. Their MP series are very commonly used.
 
For maximum stall torque, a separately-excited DC motor, then a series-wound DC motor. Next would be the equivalent AC motors. They are both limited only by the amount of iron in them and the wire size (assuming a sufficient power supply. :smile:)
 
A NEMA Design D induction motor has its highest torque at 0 RPM. It is designed for high inertia loads. And, since it's an induction motor, it does not have brushes nor does it need a drive. Here's a good discussion about the various classes of induction motors: http://industrialelectricalco.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/nema-abcde-torque-curves.pdf.
 
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Sergio Trigos said:
I am referring to the output torque of an electric motor when the rotational speed of the rotor is 0 RPM. Some sources say that having a stalled torque damages some motors, and I know that some motors have a constant torque regardless of their speed while others have a max torque at 0 RPM. So If I need an electric motor that can create a decent torque while stalled, which type of motor would be recommended? regardless of weight, size, price, and complexity.

Also if you have a source where I can find torque to speed graphs for the different types of electric motors, that would also be very helpful.
DC motor is one of the best choice to get the absolute most torque as compared to any other. Because its voltage phase and current phase are perpendicular to each other which gives a max absolute torque.
 
I think you might also look at motor with fewer turns and a gearbox. Fewer turns makes it faster with less torque. The loss of torque is recovered by using a gearbox. Some losses in the gearbox but reduced turns lowers winding resistance and increases stall current.
 
The OP has not told of the application. In some cases, replacing direct drive with hydraulics is a better solution than high torque motors.

Related:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel%E2%80%93electric_transmission said:
A diesel–electric transmission, or diesel–electric powertrain, is used by a number of vehicle and ship types for providing locomotion.

A diesel–electric transmission system includes a diesel engine connected to an electrical generator, creating electricity that powers electric traction motors. No clutch is required. Before diesel engines came into widespread use, a similar system, using a petrol (gasoline) engine and called petrol–electric or gas–electric, was sometimes used.

Diesel–electric transmission is used on railways by diesel electric locomotivesand diesel electric multiple units, as electric motors are able to supply full torque at 0 RPM. Diesel–electric systems are also used in submarines and surface ships and some land vehicles.
 

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