What Values Can Ωk Take in the Equation Ωm+Ωr+Ωk=1?

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The discussion revolves around the values that the variable ##Ω_k## can take in the equation $$Ω_m+Ω_r+Ω_k=1$$. Participants explore the implications of this equation in both mathematical and cosmological contexts, questioning whether it holds true at all times or only at the present moment.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if ##Ω_m## and ##Ω_r## are positive, then ##0 \le \Omega_k \le 1##.
  • Others argue that if negative values are allowed, then ##Ω_k## can be any real number.
  • One participant notes that for a flat universe, ##Ω_k=0##, while for a positively curved universe, a negative value for ##Ω_k## could be possible.
  • It is mentioned that a negative value of ##Ω_k## corresponds to ##Ω>1##, indicating a positively curved universe, while ##Ω_k=0## corresponds to a flat universe, and a positive value of ##Ω_k## corresponds to ##Ω<1##, indicating a negatively curved universe.
  • Participants express that the equation's validity may depend on the context of time, questioning whether it is applicable only "now" or at any time in the universe.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that ##Ω_k## can take a range of values depending on the conditions set for ##Ω_m## and ##Ω_r##, but there is no consensus on the implications of these values in different cosmological scenarios. Multiple competing views remain regarding the interpretation of the equation and its applicability over time.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the positivity of ##Ω_m## and ##Ω_r##, as well as the dependence on the definitions of curvature in cosmology. The discussion does not resolve the implications of these assumptions.

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Let's suppose we have an equation,
$$Ω_m+Ω_r+Ω_k=1$$
In this equation what's the values that ##Ω_k## can take ?
Only 1,0 or -1 ?

Also this equation is true for only "now" or any time in the universe ?
 
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Arman777 said:
Let's suppose we have an equation,
$$Ω_m+Ω_r+Ω_k=1$$
In this equation what's the values that ##Ω_k## can take ?
Only 1,0 or -1 ?

Also this equation is true for only "now" or any time in the universe ?

Assuming the omegas are positive, then ##0 \le \Omega_k \le 1##

If you allow negative values, then ##\Omega_k## can be any real number.

That was the mathematical answer. Rereading your question, I guess you want a cosmological answer. I'll leave that to others.
 
PeroK said:
Assuming the omegas are positive, then ##0 \le \Omega_k \le 1##

If you allow negative values, then ##\Omega_k## can be any real number.
For flat universe we can take ##Ω_k=0##. In example for positive curvature universe then what could be the value of ##Ω_k## ?
A negative value ?

Cause ##Ω_k=-\frac {κ} {a^2H^2}##

Something seems wrong to me. Either this equation only hold for ##Ω_k=0##.

Oh okay I understand
 
For a negative value of ##Ω_k## corresponds to ##Ω>1## which its positively curved universe
For ##Ω_k=0## corresponds to ##Ω=1## which flat universe
For a positive value of ##Ω_k## corresponds to ##Ω<1## which its negatively curved universe

where ##Ω=Ω_m+Ω_r##
 
Arman777 said:
Let's suppose we have an equation,
$$Ω_m+Ω_r+Ω_k=1$$
In this equation what's the values that ##Ω_k## can take ?
Only 1,0 or -1 ?

Also this equation is true for only "now" or any time in the universe ?
##\Omega_k## can be any real number that makes the equation above true. Because ##\Omega_m## and ##\Omega_r## must be positive, ##\Omega_k## cannot be greater than 1. But it can be as negative as you like.

Arman777 said:
For a negative value of ##Ω_k## corresponds to ##Ω>1## which its positively curved universe
For ##Ω_k=0## corresponds to ##Ω=1## which flat universe
For a positive value of ##Ω_k## corresponds to ##Ω<1## which its negatively curved universe

where ##Ω=Ω_m+Ω_r##
This is accurate.
 
kimbyd said:
##\Omega_k## can be any real number that makes the equation above true. Because ##\Omega_m## and ##\Omega_r## must be positive, ##\Omega_k## cannot be greater than 1. But it can be as negative as you like.This is accurate.
Thanks, its more clear now
 

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