What values of a make this set a type II region?

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The problem involves determining the values of a that make a given set a type II region, where the bounds of x are functions of y, and the bounds of y are constant. The specific bounds provided are -1

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the implications of different values of a on the region's classification, with some suggesting that a must be negative or zero. Questions arise regarding specific values like a = -1/2 and a = +1/2, and whether the regions A and B meet or how they are affected by changes in a.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the regions defined by the bounds. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of a being greater than zero, while others are questioning the clarity of the problem and the nature of the functions allowed.

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There is uncertainty regarding the interpretation of the question, particularly what constitutes an acceptable function of x and how the regions interact. The discussion also touches on the potential for gaps in the range for y and how that might affect integration.

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Homework Statement


Find all values of a such that this set is a type II region (i.e. the bounds of x can be represented as functions of y, while the bounds of y are constant valued)
-1<y<0, Y<x<-y (union) 0<y<1, -y+a<x<y+a

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I arrived at a being any value in the bound (-inf, 0}, since if a is a value greater than 0, then the y bounds (0<y<1) start to exist outside of the region bounded by -y+a and y+a. In other words, a must be negative or 0.
 
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Check a = - 1/2.
 
I've tried this, and it appears to work. Maybe I'm missing something. What's your reasoning for this?
 
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Nicolaus said:
the y bounds (0<y<1) start to exist outside of the region bounded by -y+a and y+a
I don't understand that statement.
Call the regions A = {-1<=y<=0 & y<=x<=-y}, B = {0<=y<=1 & -y+a<=x<=y+a}. (Allowing equality won't affect integration.)
What do A and B look like, in words?
Where do they meet?
What happens if you flip the signs of a and x consistently throughout?
However, I'm not sure how to interpret the question. What sort of function of x is allowed? I originally was thinking only of 'nice' functions, so drew attention to a = -1/2. If anything is allowed, check a = +1/2.
 
So Region A looks like a triangle with its top vertex at the origin (the entire triangle is below the horizontal x-axis and its y coordinates range from -1 to 0); this region is bounded by x=y to the left and x=-y to the right. I am asking what values of a are allowed such that the union of regions A and B is a type II region (i.e. the x bounds can be represented as functions of y, while the y bounds are constant values).
If a is >0, the region does not fall in the 0<=y<=1 bound because the linear functions shift up away from the origin, but it works for any negative a values, I think?
 
Nicolaus said:
If a is >0, the region does not fall in the 0<=y<=1 bound because the linear functions shift up away from the origin, but it works for any negative a values, I think?
Check what solutions there are for y=0 in region B.
Anyway, even if there appeared a gap in the range for y, there would still be a way to treat it as a contiguous range for integration purposes. If the lower bound is expressed as y=f(x) and the upper bound as y=g(x) then through the gap region specify f=g. If that's not allowed then this categorisation strikes me as somewhat arbitrary and pointless.
 

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