What Values of k Give Infinite Solutions in This Homogeneous System?

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The discussion revolves around determining the values of k for which a given homogeneous linear system has infinitely many solutions. The system consists of three equations involving the variables x, y, and z, and participants are exploring the implications of the reduced form of the matrix representation of the system.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the reduced form of the matrix and its implications for the existence of solutions. There are attempts to identify conditions under which the system might have infinitely many solutions, including considerations of matrix rank and variable definitions.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes various interpretations of the matrix and its equations, with some participants questioning the correctness of their approaches and the assumptions made. There is an ongoing exploration of how to prove the existence of infinitely many solutions, and some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of the matrix's rank.

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Some participants express confusion regarding the setup of the problem and the validity of the equations derived from the reduced matrix. There are indications that the original problem statement may have issues, as noted by a participant referencing feedback from a lecturer.

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Homework Statement


1. Determine the values of k such that the following homogeneous linear system has infinitely number of solutions.
My problem is: I cannot to find the value of k

Homework Equations


2xky + z = 0

-x + y – 3kz = 0

kx – 2y + 2z = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


After I did a reduced form, I get this :
[1 -1 3k]
[0 -k+2 1-6k]
[0 0 2-3k^2]
 
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Purple94 said:

Homework Statement


1. Determine the values of k such that the following homogeneous linear system has infinitely number of solutions.
My problem is: I cannot to find the value of k

Homework Equations


2xky + z = 0

-x + y – 3kz = 0

kx – 2y + 2z = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


After I did a reduced form, I get this :
[1 -1 3k]
[0 -k+2 1-6k]
[0 0 2-3k^2]
The first thing you need to do is understand how this matrix could represent a linear system that had an infinite number of solutions. Once you understand that, it's fairly easy to answer the other question, which is finding the values of k for this to happen.
 
But, according to my attempt to this solution, i get this equation is has no solution. How can to prove this equation is infinetely solution?
 
Purple94 said:
But, according to my attempt to this solution, i get this equation is has no solution.
Why do you think this?
It might be helpful to write the system of equations that your reduced matrix represents. For example, the first equation would be x - y + 3kz = 0. What are the other two equations?
Purple94 said:
How can to prove this equation is infinetely solution?
 
If anyone of your variables is not explicitely defined, then the system may have infinitely many solutions.
Similarly, if your matrix is not full rank, i.e. a 3x3 matrix representing 3 linearly independent vectors, you will have an underconstrained system with infinitely many solutions.
 
the other 2 equation is (-k+2)y + (1-6k)z=0, (2-3k^2)z=0
 
I try, i get the value of k is not equal to zero
 
I get this:
x-y+3kz=0
(-k+2)y +(1-6k)z=0
(2-3k^2)z=0

let z=u,
(2-3k^2)u=0
2u-3k^2=0
-3k^2u=-2u
k^2u=2/3u
k^2=2/3
k=2/3,-2/3
 
You forgot the square roots on the values for k.
Do you see why there would be infinitely many solutions to the system?
 
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Purple94 said:
the other 2 equation is (-k+2)y + (1-6k)z=0, (2-3k^2)z=0
Okay

Purple94 said:
I try, i get the value of k is not equal to zero
That's not the point. How would you find z?

Purple94 said:
I get this:
x-y+3kz=0
(-k+2)y +(1-6k)z=0
(2-3k^2)z=0

let z=u,
(2-3k^2)u=0
2u-3k^2=0
-3k^2u=-2u
k^2u=2/3u
k^2=2/3
k=2/3,-2/3
This is roughly the right idea, but some of your work isn't necessary and some is not even correct. For example, why do you replace z with u?

Also, if (2 - 3k2)z = 0, you can say right away that either z = 0 or 2 - 3k2 = 0.

In one of your steps, you "cancel" u, which is a very bad idea.
 
  • #11
i ask my lecturer and she said this question is wrong
 
  • #12
What does that mean? A "question" is not "right" or wrong.
 
  • #13
Purple94 said:

Homework Statement


1. Determine the values of k such that the following homogeneous linear system has infinitely number of solutions.
My problem is: I cannot to find the value of k

Homework Equations


2xky + z = 0

-x + y – 3kz = 0

kx – 2y + 2z = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


After I did a reduced form, I get this :
[1 -1 3k]
[0 -k+2 1-6k]
[0 0 2-3k^2]

The last line is wrong. It should be 0 k-2 2-3k^2
 

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