What Voltage is Needed to Ionize Helium in Plasma Globes?

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The discussion revolves around the voltage required to ionize helium in plasma globes, exploring the relationship between ionization energy and breakdown potential. It addresses theoretical aspects of ionization, practical voltage levels in plasma devices, and the conditions necessary for sustaining plasma.

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  • One participant inquires about the lowest voltage required for helium ionization, suggesting it might relate to the ionization energy of approximately 24 eV.
  • Another participant corrects the misconception that ionization energy and breakdown potential are the same, emphasizing their different dimensions (energy vs. voltage).
  • A later reply explains the connection between ionization potential and voltage, noting that an electron gains energy equivalent to the voltage it travels through, and describes conditions under which plasma can be formed and sustained.
  • Further elaboration is provided on the role of electron sources and the impact of pressure and gap distance on the required voltage for sustaining plasma in cold electrode discharges.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between ionization energy and voltage, with some clarifying misconceptions while others present additional complexities. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact voltage requirements and conditions for ionization in plasma globes.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the definitions of ionization energy and breakdown potential, as well as the influence of pressure and gap distance on voltage requirements, which remain unresolved.

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What is the lowest voltage required in order for Helium to become ionized?
Is that equal the ionization energy in electron volt per mole (kJ/mole)?
If so it's only about 24 eV for Helium.

Typical voltages are around a few thousand volts for most commercial plasma globes, sometimes around 10,000 volts for some homebrew ones.
But ionization potential is typically 50 to 150 volts.

So does this mean that the plasma is created at very low voltages but in the case for plasma globes are very high voltages?
 
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You have a misconception about ionization energy (sometimes colloquially referred to as potential) and breakdown potential.

First of all, these two quantities have different dimensions, the first one energy (measured in electron-volts, a unit of energy), and the second one in units of electric voltage/potential (measured in volts). You are essentially comparing apples and oranges.
 
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There is a connention between ionisation potential and voltage. 24 electron volts is the energy gained by a electron in traveling through a potential difference of 24 Volts. So if you have a voltage gap of 24 volts and an electron travels through this gap then it will gain enough energy to ionise a He atom.

If you have an electron source, like a hot filament and a voltage drop of 24 Volts at low pressure in helium a plasma can be formed and sustained.

In a plasma ball or other cold electrode discharge there is no electron source so electrons are released from the surface by ion impact, also electrons are accelerated in the electric field in the gas. As some of the plasma have high pressures then collisions reduce the average energy of electrons. In this case the plasma needs a field E/N greater than a particular value. Where E in the field Voltage/Gap and N is the neutral gas density. The larger the gap the bigger the voltage needed. The higher the presuure the bigger the voltage needed. So with a cold electrode discharge we need enough voltage between the plasma and a surface to generate electrons from ion impact and a large enough E/N to sustain the plasma is the bulk.
 

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