What Went Wrong in My Integration by Parts?

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The discussion revolves around the application of integration by parts to the integral of e^x/x. Participants explore the reasoning behind the integration steps taken by the original poster and the implications of convergence in the resulting series.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster describes their attempt to solve the integral using integration by parts and expresses confusion about the correctness of their resulting series.
  • Some participants suggest that the integration by parts approach appears valid, but question the convergence of the resulting series.
  • One participant emphasizes that while integration by parts can be applied, the resulting series does not converge, raising concerns about the validity of equating the integral to the series.
  • Another participant reiterates that the equality cannot be established if the result does not converge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the application of integration by parts is valid, but there is contention regarding the convergence of the resulting series and its implications for the equality of the integral.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the conditions under which integration by parts can be applied and the implications of series convergence on the validity of the integral's evaluation.

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Here I used integration by parts to try to solve an integral (I got it wrong, it seems), I know this has no "simple" solution, but, can anyone explain me exactly what did I do wrong? Here is what I did:


[itex]\int\frac{e^x}{x}dx=\frac{e^x}{x}-(-1)\int\frac{e^x}{x^2}dx=\frac{e^x}{x}+1(\frac{e^x}{x^2}-(-2)\int\frac{e^x}{x^3}dx)=\frac{e^x}{x}+1!(\frac{e^x}{x^2}+2!\frac{e^x}{x^3}+3!\int\frac{e^x}{x^4}dx)=...=0!\frac{e^x}{x}+1!\frac{e^x}{x^2}+2!\frac{e^x}{x^3}+3!\frac{e^x}{x^4}+...[/itex]

I just used integration by parts on the "remaining" integrals so I could produce a series, but the series is just...wrong. I would appreciate if you told me what is the error in my reasoning.
thanks.
 
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It doesn't, that's the point. Why can I use integration by parts and "say" that [itex]\int\frac{e^x}{x}dx[/itex] equals a sum that does not converge?
 
And, thanks :)
 
Hi Username007! :smile:
Username007 said:
It doesn't, that's the point. Why can I use integration by parts and "say" that [itex]\int\frac{e^x}{x}dx[/itex] equals a sum that does not converge?

integration by parts works fine so long as the ∑ is finite …

∫ ex/x dx

= ex(∑n=0k-1 n!/xn+1 - n! ∫ ex/xn+1 dx​

unfortunately, although we can usually rely on the final integral converging to zero as k -> ∞, in this case it doesn't! :rolleyes:
 
So, if the result of integration does not converge we can't establish the equality? (Thanks for you patience btw ^_^)
 
yes :smile:
 

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