What would be proof that God exists?

[DavidSF]

Who does the will of God, What is the will of God? Jesus knew these answers and God the Father already knows these answers.
If you don't know these answers you walk in fear and darkness.. You walk in sin..

Jesus said "The Father knows the Son and the Son knows the Father" which means simply that the Father knew and could read the knowledge thoughts of Jesus and those thoughts revealed to the Father that Jesus new the form of the Father.
Because it is the Fathers Will that we come to the full knowledge of the Father the Holy Spirit (the light of this world).
The Father is spirit.. Your Life force is spirit.. Your brothers Life force is spirit.. If you hate your brothers spirt you hate Gods Spirit..

The spirit of God turns the Earth that you may have day and night and the seasons..
Jesus walked on water to reveal the living God to you in this way he reveals the Father (He walked with the law of God in his heart and mind for He new and loved his Father) who is the fundamental Holy Spirit POWER of the universe.

God is the fundamental foundation of light itself (GRAVITY energy)..
Come to the full knowledge of that light, and then you will find and come to the full knowledge of your God the Father and your own Spirit.

You were a part of the Spirit of God before you were born, and you will be a part of the Spirit of God Spirit when you say you die (You lived before and you will live after, God willing), and for now while you here on Earth you are the Spirit of God in the flesh, For Jesus told you, is it not written 'You are a Gods'.
Please understand and don't walk lower than the animals.. May God Bless you and forgive your ignorance..

Seek the knowledge of the Spirit, the laws of light / gravity, your God.. This is His Will and all that he will ever ask of you...Love Him and he will reveal and show you all things as Jesus has already told you..

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

The spirit of God turns the Earth that you may have day and night and the seasons..

yes, but let's not forget that superman could reverse the rotation of the Earth, so I guess the spirit met his match ...

Jesus walked on water to reveal the living God to you in this way he reveals the Father (He walked with the law of God in his heart and mind for He new and loved his Father) who is the fundamental Holy Spirit POWER of the universe.

http://whyfiles.org/shorties/015walk_on_water can walk on water also...

God is the fundamental foundation of light itself (GRAVITY energy)..
Come to the full knowledge of that light, and then you will find and come to the full knowledge of your God the Father and your own Spirit.

Well Einstein would be really glad to hear that the foundation of gravity is light and not the geometry of the space...

I guess you missed the title of the thread, specifically the word proof

 

[olde drunk]

That's a matter of terminology, the universe as far as we can observe, can be called "observable universe", and we don't need omni/multi verse, the term universe already includes those.

i agree. my point is that our physical universe is nestled inside a larger universe. to often when the word universe is used it is taken to mean the physical.

it is also quite possible that our larger unvirse is nestled inside another, etc, etc, ad infinitum.

is the total of all universes, god? feels like it.

love&peace,
olde drunk

 

[olde drunk]

i agree that i am god as jesus said. that's why he is/was a wise man. unfortunately, we place a mystical meaning to the phrase and ignore the real meaning. we each control our destiny, we are one with whatever god is.

now all we got to do is be true to ourselves and honor our neighbor as ourself. this done, listen to the inner you and you will find your definition of god. i submit that the definition is uniquely individual and defies a definition to satisfy everyone.

love&peace,
olde drunk

 

[DavidSF]

Proof

You want proof...

The definition of space-time, can it be separated from gravity or light? do you know your fourth dimensional motion (velocity) through the heavens? do you know the length of your second? do you truly know the real processes of electromagnetic propagation? much of this is still probably mystical and called phenomena to you.

Why is the kingdom of heaven within you? did you not know that inside the atom is an inverted mirror of what is occurring within the heavens.
Jesus said "all things come to them as parables because their is no root in them"
For this reason you do not know that the square root of the electron compton wavelength is, one over your total combination of galactic velocity vectors.

Einstein also understood that three dimensional geometry could not describe space time, as his theory of relativity predicts.

Atomic mass can modify space time can it not? If it can then space time must be able to modify atomic mass structure. which says that space time is not as empty as you may think. Its full of God...

If mass is convertible to energy then energy is convertible to mass.

Your God is Energy, the very structure of space time which we can modulate and send waves through, all frequencies which travel at a singular speed, for this reason he sees everything.

God is the carrier of all sources of electromagnetic light, he even bought my advice to you.

And you wanted proof,

It is all around you. But this you see, but alas you don't see. God forgive You.

 

[olde drunk]

You want proof...

The definition of space-time, can it be separated from gravity or light? do you know your fourth dimensional motion (velocity) through the heavens? do you know the length of your second? do you truly know the real processes of electromagnetic propagation? much of this is still probably mystical and called phenomena to you.

Why is the kingdom of heaven within you? did you not know that inside the atom is an inverted mirror of what is occurring within the heavens.
Jesus said "all things come to them as parables because their is no root in them"
For this reason you do not know that the square root of the electron compton wavelength is, one over your total combination of galactic velocity vectors.

Einstein also understood that three dimensional geometry could not describe space time, as his theory of relativity predicts.

Atomic mass can modify space time can it not? If it can then space time must be able to modify atomic mass structure. which says that space time is not as empty as you may think. Its full of God...

If mass is convertible to energy then energy is convertible to mass.

Your God is Energy, the very structure of space time which we can modulate and send waves through, all frequencies which travel at a singular speed, for this reason he sees everything.

God is the carrier of all sources of electromagnetic light, he even bought my advice to you.

And you wanted proof,

It is all around you. But this you see, but alas you don't see. God forgive You.

i do NOT need god's forgiveness. i do gods work, my way. my god doen't require that i know the definition of 'mass' or go to mass. he doesn't care if i ignore or worship. my god only expects that i be me and respect all of creation. AND, i don't need to tithe.

my god is energy! amen.

love&peace,
olde drunk

 

[Tom McCurdy]

You want proof...

The definition of space-time, can it be separated from gravity or light? do you know your fourth dimensional motion (velocity) through the heavens? do you know the length of your second? do you truly know the real processes of electromagnetic propagation? much of this is still probably mystical and called phenomena to you.

Why is the kingdom of heaven within you? did you not know that inside the atom is an inverted mirror of what is occurring within the heavens.
Jesus said "all things come to them as parables because their is no root in them"
For this reason you do not know that the square root of the electron compton wavelength is, one over your total combination of galactic velocity vectors.

Einstein also understood that three dimensional geometry could not describe space time, as his theory of relativity predicts.

Atomic mass can modify space time can it not? If it can then space time must be able to modify atomic mass structure. which says that space time is not as empty as you may think. Its full of God...

If mass is convertible to energy then energy is convertible to mass.

Your God is Energy, the very structure of space time which we can modulate and send waves through, all frequencies which travel at a singular speed, for this reason he sees everything.

God is the carrier of all sources of electromagnetic light, he even bought my advice to you.

And you wanted proof,

It is all around you. But this you see, but alas you don't see. God forgive You.

hmm I am still missing the proof part

And quit trying to post with the enlighted theme... it makes you seem like you are superior to us, pure in some fashion... I am sure god wouldn't want this now.

Hmm I didin't realize time was heaven... as I travel through the 4th dimension... however this does bring up something funny. The faster i move the more I am removed from heaven. Lol

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

Religion topics are always a good time. I guess I'll join in on this one. :) I consider myself Agnostic because I'm in the middle of the situation. But if God turns out to exist I believe it might be possible to achieve proof. So I'm not sure what my grammatical religion would be called.

I can see the perspective of an Atheist well enough. Its like if someone said. There are 23 more planets in the Solar System but they have no proof. However since I personally can't disprove that I don't completely exclude the possibility.

No offense to Christians, but I find Christianity somewhat ironic. The way the beliefs are organized its almost like an interesting fairy tale. I'm sure some people read it as fiction. Some Christian beliefs aren't logical either.

I believe God would be much wiser than portrayed and would've at least explained his reasoning in any book provided to earth. With Christianity the Bible just dismisses something with no logic behind the dismissal. Therefore, I don't believe in the Christian God. Its possible, but I think its quite unlikely.

I'm fairly flexible when it comes to possibilities. I don't think illogical religious beliefs should be considered in government. Thou shall not do something. Why not? I'm disgusted when illogically backed up religious statements are used in government.

I'm not sure what my religion is but to believe in God I think I'd have to see him personally and have a lengthy discussion with him. Depending on how convincing he was I might talk longer or dismiss his statement.

I look at more things from an Atheist standpoint most of the time. It allows me to more logically look at situations and let's me take advantage of life to the fullest without basing my decisions on a possible afterlife.

However when I'm having a bad time I might pray. Prayer helps when nobody else can understand or is around. I think I've done this maybe 3 times since I shifted from parentally influenced Catholic beliefs. Whether or not God is up there Prayer and belief helps people when nothing else can. This is perhaps a reason why people cling so tightly to their religious beliefs. If they do not have them, they have to come up with their own morals. On top of that, they may be alone or fear death more. Many other factors could influence the entire subject.

I hope I didn't offend people. It looks from above that the conversation is fairly heated. If anyone knows what religion I would be considered I'd love to know. ~Thanks.

 

[jdavel]

"What would be proof that God exists?"

I know of at least three proofs that would work for me.

1) If everyone else believed it, I'd believe it.

2) If everyone who didn't believe it got burned at the stake, I'd believe it.

3) In a more practical vain, this would also work for me:

I examine a stack of 52 cards to ensure that it's a regulation deck. I immediately shuffle the deck to my satisfaction. I immediately deal ten poker hands from the top of this shuffled, regulation deck, and they all have four of a kind. At that point, I would believe in god!

 

[jradoff]

I think there's a general misunderstanding with regards to science. Scientists don't "believe" things, nor do they rely on scientific literature in the same sense as theists utilize scripture. Scientists weigh evidence and develop theories. The value of a theory is its ability to make experimentally-verifiable predictions.

Thus, when addressing any particular religion, one might ask: what is the strength of the evidence? What predictions does it make, and how can we test them?

I recommend the following book:

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/flex-sign-in/ref=cm_rate_rev_pagepos3/104-1549182-3438313#rated-review&tag=pfamazon01-20

 

[jradoff]

Hmm, the link I posted above didn't take for some reason. The book is the DEMON-HAUNTED WORLD, by Carl Sagan. It is pretty easy to find on Amazon, and discusses how many people come to certain beliefs (not simply religion, but also such things as UFOs, alien abductions, psychic powers, etc.) and how to think logically about things.

 

[DavidSF]

Tom MucCurdy seems to think I am trying to be a little superior.. This is not so.. To learn from the Spirit of God you must first learn to become humble, only then can you listen to God to learn and become wise..
(A wise man listens that he may become a little wiser).

If a man has wisdom, others without that wisdom thinks he may be inferior and immediately may accuse the other of trying to be superior.

Jesus said "knowledge is justified by its children".

I say "we are what we eat and drink"..

In a physics forum can I ask if anyone can answer me this - what is the Alpha? and what is the omega? for God says "I am the apha and the omega".

Also can somebody tell me, what velocity must I obtain to be waitless at the surface of the earth? (Think very carefully).

And for proof let me say this.

The Son of Man stands with the scientific institutions on the one hand and the religious institutions on the other hand and could very easily be saying "Come listen to me for I am the light of this world, for you both seek the ultimate knowledge of God, understand that their is only one truth and that truth encompasses all, for you both seek that very same truth".

I hope that you will eat a little truth every day, (the bread from heaven) that it may nourish you and then one day you will understand.

And to jdavel , remember what Jesus said "Wide is the road to perdition and many go in by it, but narrow is the path and few find it". Suggest you look beyond the cards.

God forgives you, so you also learn to forgive.

Who of you has a child who asks what he can do for his Father, but only children who are always asking the Father to do things for them.

Somebody once said to me "What does God want from me?". I said "He wants the one thing that you will never give to Him, Your time, For he has time for you, but you have no time for Him".

 

[Janitor]

the square root of the electron compton wavelength is, one over your total combination of galactic velocity vectors- David

David, due especially to the bit I just quoted, I suspect you are having fun pulling our legs. But if by chance you are serious, how about elaborating on that for us? Maybe even plug in some numbers, if you would be so kind. And who was the author of the book or article or tract from which you got that?

 

[DavidSF]

Dear janitor,
That information is not in the current science books, and I discoved the information after reading the words of Christ "The kingdom of heaven is within you".

This prompted me to seek out why he had said this I and discovered much much more than this about atomic physics.

At this time the physicists and institutions look at the atom with a very narrow minded viewpoint. They put the atom within a small box and ignore anything outside of that box, ignoring the fact that the tiny atom is traveling at over 2.3 million kilometres per hour through space time for a reason.

If you break this speed down to metres per second to conform with the standard SI metre per second format, then consider and relate this value to our atronomical galactic spin and galactic velocity conditions, you will note that you are almost there.

If I give you the formulae I give the world the formulae, and the scripture advises me not to caste my pearls before the swine lest they trample you underfoot.

I have given you more than enough information, Seek and ye shall find for nothing is hidden that will not come to light..

You are and will be dealing with the core of relativity, in that the time needed to cover 1 metre wavelength at galactic speeds is incredibly small.

No I am not, nor will at anytime, pull anybodies leg.

I ask you this, If you had the knowledge of God. Would you share it indescriminately, or be very cautious as to who it is given to.

Believe that it is there and it will be according to your belief, and be patient, It is not easy to shake off some of the miss-leeding information which can be found in the present day institutions.

DavidSF

 

[Janitor]

Brother David,

I had a suspicion that the knowledge of galactic vectors might be straight from God’s mouth to your ear. I agree that it is a dangerous gift to be in touch personally with He Who Is Above All Things. I understand completely.

 

[Nicomachus]

Dear janitor,
That information is not in the current science books, and I discoved the information after reading the words of Christ "The kingdom of heaven is within you".

This prompted me to seek out why he had said this I and discovered much much more than this about atomic physics.

At this time the physicists and institutions look at the atom with a very narrow minded viewpoint. They put the atom within a small box and ignore anything outside of that box, ignoring the fact that the tiny atom is traveling at over 2.3 million kilometres per hour through space time for a reason.

If you break this speed down to metres per second to conform with the standard SI metre per second format, then consider and relate this value to our atronomical galactic spin and galactic velocity conditions, you will note that you are almost there.

If I give you the formulae I give the world the formulae, and the scripture advises me not to caste my pearls before the swine lest they trample you underfoot.

I have given you more than enough information, Seek and ye shall find for nothing is hidden that will not come to light..

You are and will be dealing with the core of relativity, in that the time needed to cover 1 metre wavelength at galactic speeds is incredibly small.

No I am not, nor will at anytime, pull anybodies leg.

I ask you this, If you had the knowledge of God. Would you share it indescriminately, or be very cautious as to who it is given to.

Believe that it is there and it will be according to your belief, and be patient, It is not easy to shake off some of the miss-leeding information which can be found in the present day institutions.

DavidSF

blah blah blah. Whatever, David Koresh. All you have are a bunch naked assertions and what psychologists refer to as "delusions of grandeur."

 

[DavidSF]

Dooga Blackrazor,
You are a believer, only believers pray, even the so called non believers, or athiests will usually call out "My God" in a time of crisis, because it is inbuilt into them from the beginning, For God created heaven and Earth and everything within or on it.
What man teaches is unbelievable, what God teaches is Good and very believable, if in doubt just ask God.

Jesus told you how to pray, so analyse the words of the Lords Prayer. We are asking for his knowledge daily

 

[selfAdjoint]

Unbelievers call out "My God" not because it is hardwired into them but because they have been socialized into a culture where that is an accepted thing to shout in certain circumstances.

 

[Nicomachus]

Dooga Blackrazor,
You are a believer, only believers pray, even the so called non believers, or athiests will usually call out "My God" in a time of crisis, because it is inbuilt into them from the beginning, For God created heaven and Earth and everything within or on it.
What man teaches is unbelievable, what God teaches is Good and very believable, if in doubt just ask God.

Jesus told you how to pray, so analyse the words of the Lords Prayer. We are asking for his knowledge daily

Are you going to do anything but proselytize like a dogmatic cultist? The reason people cry out "my God" is a result of cultural programming. You don't see many Hindu's crying "my God" and I would be willing to claim the Rapa Nui and various other cultures not exposed to Judeo-Christian dogma didn't either. This is a ridiculous and is at best sophistry. Circulus in Demonstrando.
*Nico

 

[DavidSF]

Dear janitor or is it Jan,
The galactic velocity vectors have been measured and can be obtained from the internet, the main velocity component is 600km/sec and is also written in the scripture. Read about Noah's ark, and note Noah's age..

Then imagine that we are discussing the motion of the Earth through the living water the arc the Earth cuts as it orbits the sun.

Built into the scripture are all the numbers to confirm the truth, and some which they haven't discovered yet.

Have a feast..
David

 

[DavidSF]

Whatever God you believe in you will utimately call out his name, nomatter what your culture or belief, if you don't say it you will think it...believe me Satan is a liar, when we open our mouth we reveal our Father who is within us.. Some have taken to typing..

In a physics forum can I ask if anyone can answer me this - what is the Alpha? and what is the omega? for God says "I am the apha and the omega".

Also can somebody tell me, what velocity must I obtain to be weightless at the surface of the earth? (Think very carefully).

 

[Nicomachus]

Whatever God you believe in you will utimately call out his name, nomatter what your culture or belief, if you don't say it you will think it...believe me Satan is a liar, when we open our mouth we reveal our Father who is within us.. Some have taken to typing..

In a physics forum can I ask if anyone can answer me this - what is the Alpha? and what is the omega? for God says "I am the apha and the omega".

Also can somebody tell me, what velocity must I obtain to be weightless at the surface of the earth? (Think very carefully).

blah blah blah. That is a naked assertion, you have no evidence. Furthermore, it is irrelavent, all you have presented is that if someone believes in a theistic entity then one will, although this does not follow, call out the word associated with the theistic entity one believes in. Alright, so is every theistic entity that has a word associated with it which believers call out, real?

As far as your "alpha and omega," what was the point of this proselytizing nonsense? Yes we all know what that means, you are just crowing up a bunch of phrases without bringing forth any substance. You are still continuing your Circulus in Demonstrando and providing nothing but red herrings. Are you intellectually capable of presenting valid argument and not these absurdities you have brought thus far? Stop being a sophist and be the intellectual you are pretending to be.
*Nico

 

[Evo]

even the so called non believers, or athiests will usually call out "My God" in a time of crisis,

or fun, or great sex.

 

[DavidSF]

Your mind is not not focused on the kingdom of the heavens, because of this you cannot understand where I come from.

This is a physics forum. I had hoped for an open minded hearing to enable the scientific knowledge of God to be openly discussed.

Logic depicts that if God created heaven and earth, He would know the laws of how it all works, and then would he not want to tell his children how His laws of the universe the laws of creation work.

Man is very good at tearing matter of apart but has not learned how to put it back together.

Man is but just a destructive child at this time, and God wishes to teach and show you the truth, but who is listening. understanding is not mans strongest point.

God is love, you are a product of love, the next time you make love.. thank God.. but please give some love back to God, no matter how little you give, for he will multiply it a thousand times back to you.

 

[Evo]

Your mind is not not focused on the kingdom of the heavens, because of this you cannot understand where I come from.

Very true.

This is a physics forum. I had hoped for an open minded hearing to enable the scientific knowledge of God to be openly discussed.

I am not aware of any scientific knowledge of god.

Logic depicts that if God created heaven and earth, He would he know the laws of how it all works, and then would he not want to tell his children how His laws of the universe the laws of creation work.

Sure, why not? When is he going to share this?

Man is very good at tearing matter of apart but has not learned how to put it back together.

Taking something apart is good for understanding how it works.

Man is but just a destructive child at this time, and God wishes to teach and show you the truth, but who is listening. understanding is not mans strongest point.

So, if there is a god and he knows the answers, I would say that it is time for him to share. I think that there are many here ready to understand.

God is love, you are a product of love, the next time you make love.. thank God.. but please give some love back to God, no matter who little you give, for he will multiply it a thousand times back to you.

I realized when I was eight years old that the god described in the christian bible was a manifestation of men's ideas. The god described in the bible is a vicious, jealous, angry, vindictive "god" that had all the shortcomings of mortal men, and also the values of the period in time in which it was written. Obviously it is a tale borne of man.

I do not wish to tear you from your beliefs. I think religion is a necessary crutch for many people.

 

[russ_watters]

I realized when I was eight years old that the god described in the christian bible was a manifestation of men's ideas.

Minor sidebar here. Though your sentiment is nice to see, why is it (my perception) that women tend to be more religious than men, at least in Christianity? Do you think the same as your female friends - is it just your scientific mindset that makes you different (if that's your perception)?

For the record, I'm a Christian despite the clear and obvious flaws in the Bible. I should start my own sect (cult?)...

 

[russ_watters]

In a physics forum can I ask if anyone can answer me this - what is the Alpha? and what is the omega? for God says "I am the apha and the omega".

They are letters in a dead alphabet.

 

[Evo]

Minor sidebar here. Though your sentiment is nice to see, why is it (my perception) that women tend to be more religious than men, at least in Christianity? Do you think the same as your female friends - is it just your scientific mindset that makes you different (if that's your perception)?

No, I have found that I am pretty much alone in my beliefs. I'm in an odd (or maybe not so odd) position where I don't see any proof of a god, well, not a nice god.

When I was very little I thought of god as being kind, loving and good. Then I was taught how he was depicted in the bible. Not nice. Then I looked around at the atrocities happening every day. No "god" that was good would allow this. I knew all the arguments as to why "god" allowed these things to happen and decided it wasn't realistic. As much as I wished there was a "god" that would look out for me, I realized there wasn't.

For the record, I'm a Christian despite the clear and obvious flaws in the Bible. I should start my own sect (cult?)...

If you come up with a convincing story, I might join.

 

[DavidSF]

Alpa = (C squared) / radius (r) = Angular velocity of the speed of light
Omega = C / r = frequency R represents lambda

1/omega = time

There is nothing dead about God..

But the light of God you do not walk in..

I have not found any flaws in my Bible but many flaws in mans interpretation of the Bible.

My God is the light of this world, Jesus told you plainly "I am the light" or did you not understand what He was saying.

He also told you only the "Son knows the Father and whom the Son is willing to reveal Him"

One day in the future you will know that even though you think you do not need God, He will still be there for you.

 

[Nicomachus]

Your mind is not not focused on the kingdom of the heavens, because of this you cannot understand where I come from.

This is a physics forum. I had hoped for an open minded hearing to enable the scientific knowledge of God to be openly discussed.

Logic depicts that if God created heaven and earth, He would know the laws of how it all works, and then would he not want to tell his children how His laws of the universe the laws of creation work.

Man is very good at tearing matter of apart but has not learned how to put it back together.

Man is but just a destructive child at this time, and God wishes to teach and show you the truth, but who is listening. understanding is not mans strongest point.

God is love, you are a product of love, the next time you make love.. thank God.. but please give some love back to God, no matter how little you give, for he will multiply it a thousand times back to you.

"Your mind is not not focused on the kingdom of the heavens, because of this you cannot understand where I come from."

Alright David then present a case. I am well versed in many religions and especially your Christianity, so let's have it. But no, you just want to proselytize under the guise of scientific inquiry.

"This is a physics forum. I had hoped for an open minded hearing to enable the scientific knowledge of God to be openly discussed."

Well, let me be the first to say that I will have a rational discourse with you about this; I have already begun, when do you plan to start? You seem not to want us to be open-minded but gullible.


As for this statement:

"Logic depicts that if God created heaven and earth, He would know the laws of how it all works, and then would he not want to tell his children how His laws of the universe the laws of creation work."

Circulus in Demonstrando. Are you familiar with this fallacy? You are simply assuming your conclusions. This is your assertion: "God exists because he would want to tell his children about the 'laws' he created for the universe, therefore God exists." Do you have the intellectual honesty to face this problem? As well, you are also wrong again, it does not logically follow that if one creates something one would know entirely how that thing works. You may infer that but logically that conclusion is not based on any deduction. Anyway, I shouldn't have analyzed because you are being circular.

"Man is very good at tearing matter of apart but has not learned how to put it back together."

Red herring. Bad poetry.

"Man is but just a destructive child at this time, and God wishes to teach and show you the truth, but who is listening. understanding is not mans strongest point."

Assuming your conclusions. Red herring. Bad poetry. As well, a psychologist would call this a "projection."

"God is love, you are a product of love, the next time you make love.. thank God.. but please give some love back to God, no matter how little you give, for he will multiply it a thousand times back to you."

I would call this a red-herring but that doesn't do this justice. This is not a discourse; this is you preaching. Look, I know all about your religion and I know all of your arguments so why don't you spare us the proselytizing and start presenting the arguments so I can begin refuting them. Your red herrings and sophistry, with respect to the physics quiz, is curious at best.