What would the *Energy equation be for this problem?

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The discussion revolves around the energy equation for a rubber ball swung in a vertical circle, focusing on the conservation of energy principles. Participants explore the relationship between potential energy (PE) and kinetic energy (KE) in this context.

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  • Participants attempt to establish the energy equation, questioning the roles of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy. Some express confusion about the implications of energy conservation and the relationship between height and gravitational force.

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The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the energy equation and clarifying concepts related to potential and kinetic energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the expression for total energy, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct formulation yet.

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Participants note the importance of a diagram for clarity and express concerns about the understanding of energy equations. There are references to assumptions regarding gravitational potential energy and its behavior at different points in the motion.

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1. A 0.1 kilogram solid rubber ball is attached to the end of an 0.80 meter length of light thread. The ball is swung in a vertical circle, as shown in the diagram above. Point P, the lowest point of the circle, is 0.20 meter above the floor. The speed of the ball at the top of the circle is 6.0 meters per second, and the total energy of the ball is kept constant.

2. **ex. (Ug + Wf = K)

3. Would it just be Ug = k
 
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Np14 said:
1. A 0.1 kilogram solid rubber ball is attached to the end of an 0.80 meter length of light thread. The ball is swung in a vertical circle, as shown in the diagram above. Point P, the lowest point of the circle, is 0.20 meter above the floor. The speed of the ball at the top of the circle is 6.0 meters per second, and the total energy of the ball is kept constant.

2. **ex. (Ug + Wf = K)

3. Would it just be Ug = Ug ?
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Please post the diagram related to the question and refrain from using boldface for everything. Also, Ug is always equal to itself. Please make a better effort to show your reasoning.
 
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Please state your question clearly. (Instead of linking to that other page, just cut and paste the relevant part and upload it here.)
 
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kuruman said:
Please post the diagram related to the question and refrain from using boldface for everything. Also, Ug is always equal to itself. Please make a better effort to show your reasoning.

I don't think you understand how an energy equation works.
 
Np14 said:
I don't think you understand how an energy equation works.
You wrote Ug = Ug. What did you mean by that?
 
Doc Al said:
You wrote Ug = Ug. What did you mean by that?

I meant that energy is conserved. Since the equation for PE is m*g*h, the height is changing in both instances. So the force of gravity on the object must change as well.
 
Np14 said:
I meant that energy is conserved.
Well, that's not what you wrote.

Np14 said:
Since the equation for PE is m*g*h, the height is changing in both instances. So the force of gravity on the object must change as well.
The force of gravity won't change, but the gravitational PE will.

Just write an expression for the total energy and set it equal to a constant.
 
Np14 said:
I meant that energy is conserved. Since the equation for PE is m*g*h, the height is changing in both instances. So the force of gravity on the object must change as well.

I honestly have no clue what the equation would be for this problem. No work is being done since the displacement is zero, but I don't know if the PE becomes zero as well once the object goes to the bottom of the circle.
 
Only two forms of energy are involved here. One is potential. What's the other?
 
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Doc Al said:
Only two forms of energy are involved here. One is potential. What's the other?

Kinetic I guess.
 
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Np14 said:
Kinetic I guess.
Exactly. So the total energy is PE + KE. Since energy is conserved, PE + KE = const.

You can write an expression for each energy term and evaluate their total.
 
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By const, you mean a constant, nonzero number?

What would that represent?
 
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Np14 said:
By const, you mean a constant, nonzero number?
Sure.

Np14 said:
What would that represent?
The total energy!
 
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That is what I figured, thanks
 
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Np14 said:
That is what I figured, thanks
Can you find a numerical value for that constant? Please specify where you take the gravitational potential energy to be zero.
 
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kuruman said:
Please post the diagram related to the question and refrain from using boldface for everything. Also, Ug is always equal to itself. Please make a better effort to show your reasoning.

I don't think you understand how an energy equation works.
In Post #4 of this thread, you made the above comment.

You might be interested to know that @kuruman is a retired physics professor with a PhD degree. He certainly understands the principle of Conservation of Energy.
( I suppose that his avatar doesn't look all that professorial , )
 
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