What's the kinetic energy uncertainty for gaussian wave packet?

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The discussion revolves around the uncertainty in kinetic energy for a Gaussian wave packet, specifically examining the relationship between the uncertainties in momentum and kinetic energy. Participants explore theoretical implications and calculations related to quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks about the kinetic energy uncertainty for a Gaussian wave packet defined by a specific wave function.
  • Another participant inquires about computing the uncertainty in momentum and its relation to kinetic energy using the formula K=p^2/2m.
  • A different participant suggests that while the expectation value of kinetic energy can be computed, the uncertainty in kinetic energy may not be directly derived from the uncertainty in momentum.
  • One participant provides a formula for the expectation value of kinetic energy and proposes a method to calculate the uncertainty in kinetic energy using derivatives.
  • There is a question regarding the definition of momentum in the context of expectation values, specifically whether p equals

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  • Another participant confirms that expectation values should be used in calculations.
  • One participant suggests that the expectation value of momentum should be zero, raising potential complications in the calculations.
  • A later reply introduces a brute force method to compute the uncertainty in kinetic energy, indicating that it involves higher moments of the Gaussian wave packet, which may complicate the analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to compute the uncertainty in kinetic energy and whether certain formulas apply, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential subtleties in the calculations that could affect the validity of the proposed formulas, particularly regarding the fourth moment of the Gaussian wave packet.

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What's the kinetic energy uncertainty for gaussian wave packet ψ(x)=((α/pi)^(1/4))exp(-αx^2/2)?
 
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Can you compute the uncertainty in p? If you know the uncertainty in p and you know that K=p^2/2m can you compute the uncertainty in K?
 
I guess you can get the EXPECTATION VALUE of K, not the uncertainty in K, by squaring the uncertainty in p and dividing it by 2m
 
K=\frac{p^2}{2m}

<K>=<\frac{p^2}{2m}>=\frac{<p^2>}{2m}

\sigma_K=\frac{\partial K}{\partial p}\sigma_p

Does that look reasonable?
 
σK=(p/m)σp

what is p? does p= <p>?
 
Yes, as usual, you put the expectation values in there.
 
Then <p> should be zero..
 
Ah, well I think there may be something subtle happening here that prevents my formula from working. In the mean time then, you can compute this by brute force:

\sigma_K=\sqrt{\langle \psi | K^2|\psi\rangle-(\langle \psi | K|\psi\rangle)^2}=\frac{1}{m}\sqrt{\langle \psi |\frac{p^4}{4}|\psi\rangle-(\langle \psi | \frac{p^2}{2}|\psi\rangle)^2}

This involves the 4th moment of the Gaussian though...which may be kind of hard...maybe someone more enlightened can fill us in then...XD
 

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