When Does A Equal the Power Set of Its Union?

Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on proving that for any set A, whose elements are all sets, the relationship A ⊆ ℘(⋃A) holds true, where ℘ denotes the power set and ⋃ denotes the union. The participants conclude that A equals ℘(⋃A) under specific conditions, particularly when A contains the empty set and singletons of every element in the union of A. However, they note that without additional structure on A, this condition is not sufficient for equality. The implications of cardinality are also explored, indicating that for equality to hold, A must be uncountable.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of Zermelo-Fraenkel (ZF) axioms
  • Familiarity with set operations: union and power set
  • Basic knowledge of cardinality concepts
  • Ability to work with set notation and definitions
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the implications of the ZF axioms on set theory
  • Learn about the properties of power sets and unions in set theory
  • Explore cardinality in-depth, particularly with uncountable sets
  • Investigate conditions for equality between sets and their power sets
USEFUL FOR

Mathematicians, students of set theory, and anyone interested in the foundational aspects of mathematics and set operations.

dreyvas
Messages
1
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



We're working more or less with the standard ZF axioms.

Prove that A \subseteq \mathcal{P}(\bigcup A) for any set A, whose elements are all sets. When are they equal?

Homework Equations


Just the axioms

I) Extensionality
II) Emptyset and Pairset
III) Separation
IV) Powerset
V) Unionset
VI) Infinity

The Attempt at a Solution



I can prove the first part pretty easily. We have that the union and power set of the union are sets directly from V and IV.

Briefly, suppose X \in A. Then X \subseteq \bigcup A by def. of union. So X \in \mathcal{P}(\bigcup A).

The part I'm stuck on is when they're equal. I attempted to prove that \mathcal{P}(\bigcup A) \subseteq A in order to get an idea of what condition A would need to meet.

My best guess is that they're only equal when A (at the very least) contains the emptyset and the singletons of every element in the union of all of A. Seems like a pretty circular definition, though, since I need to know what A is to know what the union of all of A is. Maybe I could say that A needs to be composed of the emptyset and the remaining elements must be singletons or else be the union of singletons already contained in A? I have thought about this a fair bit, and I'm pretty sure my condition ensures equality, so this isn't a random guess. Help would be appreciated.

Also, we have not really gotten into cardinality yet, but I do know that |S| \leq |\bigcup S| if S is countable. But I also know that |\bigcup S| < |\mathcal{P}(\bigcup S)|. So for our equality to hold, S must be uncountable...?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
dreyvas said:
The part I'm stuck on is when they're equal. I attempted to prove that \mathcal{P}(\bigcup A) \subseteq A in order to get an idea of what condition A would need to meet.

My best guess is that they're only equal when A (at the very least) contains the emptyset and the singletons of every element in the union of all of A. Seems like a pretty circular definition, though, since I need to know what A is to know what the union of all of A is. Maybe I could say that A needs to be composed of the emptyset and the remaining elements must be singletons or else be the union of singletons already contained in A? I have thought about this a fair bit, and I'm pretty sure my condition ensures equality, so this isn't a random guess. Help would be appreciated.

Because you do not have any a priori structure on A (A is not assumed to be closed under unions or intersections or anything like that), there is no "simpler" condition that A be all of \mathcal{P}\left(\textstyle\bigcup A\right). To say, as you have, that A must contain the empty set, singletons, and all unions of singletons contained in A, is more or less exactly to say that A = \mathcal{P}\left(\textstyle\bigcup A\right): that is, it's not really a useful sufficient condition.

dreyvas said:
Also, we have not really gotten into cardinality yet, but I do know that |S| \leq |\bigcup S| if S is countable. But I also know that |\bigcup S| < |\mathcal{P}(\bigcup S)|. So for our equality to hold, S must be uncountable...?

Your first statement here is false: take S = \{\emptyset, \{0\}, \{1\}, \{0, 1\}\}; then |S| = 4 while \left|\textstyle\bigcup S\right| = |\{0, 1\}| = 2.
 
Last edited:

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K