When does Newton's Second Law not hold?

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Newton's Second Law can be applied to systems with changing mass, such as a snowball rolling down a mountain, by using instantaneous mass. However, for variable-mass systems, the traditional form of the law, F=ma, must be adjusted to account for the changing mass, leading to a more complex equation. In non-inertial reference frames, Newton's Second Law may not hold without introducing inertial forces. The discussion highlights the importance of teaching these concepts at an appropriate level for high school students, as complex calculus-based explanations can be overwhelming. Overall, while Newton's Second Law remains foundational, its application requires careful consideration in cases of variable mass.
  • #31
Jano L. said:
It is just an abstract point. There is no "material center of mass".
And how do you refer to the point of matter that lies in the spatial coordinates of the geometric c.o.m? (there might be the case that there is no matter there but the usual case is that there is).

I ve to say, though i cannot prove it, my intuition tells me that the velocity of the material c.o.m (in the usual case it exists) and the geometric c.o.m is the same in all cases except in the case there is asymmetry in the way that mass is gained or lost.
 
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Delta² said:
And how do you refer to the point of matter that lies in the spatial coordinates of the geometric c.o.m? (there might be the case that there is no matter there but the usual case is that there is).

I do not know any special name for it. The material point is not important.

I ve to say, though i cannot prove it, my intuition tells me that the velocity of the material c.o.m (in the usual case it exists) and the geometric c.o.m is the same in all cases except in the case there is asymmetry in the way that mass is gained or lost.

That is true for rigid bodies. If the parts move with respect to each other, the center of mass of the body may move as well and is not attached to any particular mass point.
 

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