When Does This Equation Hold True?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation and conditions under which the equation f(t')|_0^t = ∫_0^t f(t')dt' holds true. Participants explore the characteristics of the function f(t) that would satisfy this equation, particularly focusing on specific values of t rather than general cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the equation implies the difference between f(t) at the endpoints equals the area under the curve f(t) between those endpoints.
  • Another participant proposes that f(t') could be equal to its derivative, f'(t').
  • A different viewpoint questions what function is its own antiderivative and suggests rewriting the equation for clarity.
  • One participant identifies the function f(x) = e^x as a solution but notes that it satisfies the equation for all t, expressing interest in cases where it holds for discrete values of t.
  • Another participant mentions that if the equation only needs to be true for some particular value of t, many functions could satisfy it, providing examples like f(t) = 1, f(t) = t, and f(t) = cos(t) with corresponding values of t.
  • A later reply expresses difficulty in finding a general condition for when a solution exists and introduces a modified equation involving e^x, asking under what conditions there would be no solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the conditions under which the equation holds, with some suggesting many functions could satisfy it for specific values of t, while others seek a more general understanding or conditions for the existence of solutions. No consensus is reached on a definitive condition or characteristic for f(t).

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the variable t represents time and should be positive, but there are no additional restrictions mentioned. The discussion also highlights the challenge of finding a general condition for solutions.

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Hi. Sorry I couldn't think of a more appropriate title for this thread.

I'm doing some calculatons and I arrived at an equation with this form
<br /> f(t&#039;)|_0^t = \int_0^t f(t&#039;)dt&#039;<br />

I was just wondering if anyone as any insight into the interpretation of such an expression. All I can think of is the obvious: that the difference between the function f(t) at the endpoints must equal the area under the curve f(t) between those endpoints. I guess what I'm asking is, what characteristics must f(t) have in order to satisfy this.

Moreover, and probably importantly, I only need this to hold from SOME value of t, not ALL values of t.

Thanks.
 
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Well it looks to me like f(t') = f'(t')
 
What function is it's own antiderivative? Maybe do without the prime in there cus' that's just confusing. Write it as:

f(x)\biggr|_0^t=\int_0^t f(u)du
 
Thank you for your replies.

The function f(x) = e^x would do the trick, but then the equation is satisfied for ALL t. I'm particularly interested in cases where the equation is satisfied for discrete values of t.

Think of it like this: The left hand side and right hand side are DIFFERENT functions (e.g. g(t) and h(t)). Under what conditions would these functions intersect at some value of t?
 
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I don't think I know how to help you, sorry.
 
No problem. You don't have to apologize. I just thought that maybe someone would be all like "yeah, that means...blah blah...compact support...blah blah...and the supremum norm of f^-1 would have to be...blah blah...least upper bound...blah blah with transendality four... blah blah" and all that other stuff I didn't learn by never taking a proper real analysis course.
 
If the equation need be true only for some particular value of t, then most any function will serve. For example, if f(t) = 1, then t = 0 works; if f(t) = t, then t = 2 works; if f(t) = t^2, then t = 3 works; if f(t) = cos(t), then t = π/4 works; etc. Does the problem have any other constraints that weren't mentioned?
 
Hmmm. Interesting. I was finding that most "input functions" I tried gave solutions. But I can't seem to find some general condition telling us when there is a solution or not. The variable t represents time, and in this case it should be positive. But other than that there are no additional restrictions. What about if the original equation were replace by
<br /> e^{x}f(x)|_0^t = \int_0^t e^uf(u)du<br />
and we reverse the question: under what conditions is there NO solution?
 

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