When the nucleus of H atom is neutral?

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The discussion centers around the neutrality of the nucleus of a hydrogen atom, exploring the conditions under which the hydrogen atom itself may be considered neutral. Participants examine the composition of the nucleus, the charges of its constituent particles, and the implications for atomic and molecular neutrality.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the nucleus of a hydrogen atom can be considered neutral under specific conditions, such as when it has two electrons and one proton in a covalent bond, or one electron and one proton.
  • Others argue that the nucleus itself is never neutral due to the presence of protons, which carry a positive charge, while neutrons are neutral, leading to a net positive charge in the nucleus.
  • Questions are raised about the definition of the nucleus and its composition, specifically regarding the roles of protons and neutrons.
  • Some participants clarify that protons have positive charges and neutrons have no charge, suggesting that a combination of these particles cannot yield a neutral nucleus.
  • There is a request for clarification on whether the discussion pertains to the hydrogen atom in isolation or in the context of molecular formation.
  • Several participants express confusion or seek further explanation regarding the neutrality of the hydrogen atom versus its nucleus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the nucleus of the hydrogen atom can be considered neutral, with multiple competing views remaining on the topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of neutrality and the context in which the hydrogen atom is being considered, as well as unresolved questions about the conditions under which neutrality is assessed.

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The nucleus of the H atom is neutral when it has two electrons and one proton (when forming a covalent bond) or it has one electron and one proton.
 
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Nucleus itself is never neutral.
 
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Borek said:
Nucleus itself is never neutral.
Could you tell me why, please?
 
What is the nucleus? What particles its it composed of?
 
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Borek said:
What is the nucleus? What particles its it composed of?
Protons and neutrons
 
HCverma said:
Protons and neutrons

What are charges of these particles? Any chance their combination can be neutral?
 
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Borek said:
What are charges of these particles? Any chance their combination can be neutral?
The charges of protons are positives and the neutrons have no charges. Yes, If neutrons would have had the same number of negative charges as protons have in the nucleus.
 
I'm sorry, you contradict yourself. Neutrons are neutral. They have no overall charge. If they did, they would not be neutrons.
 
Nik_2213 said:
I'm sorry, you contradict yourself. Neutrons are neutral. They have no overall charge. If they did, they would not be neutrons.
Now coming to the main point, the H atom is neutral when it has two electrons and one proton (when forming a covalent bond) or it has one electron and one proton?
 
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HCverma said:
Now coming to the main point, the H atom is neutral when it has two electrons and one proton (when forming a covalent bond) or it has one electron and one proton?
Context or situation is missing. Is the concern, how the Hydrogen atom is combined in a molecule? Is the concern, instead, just Hydrogen atom by itself, or Hydrogen, the diatomic molecule by itself?
 
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HCverma said:
Now coming to the main point, the H atom is neutral when it has two electrons and one proton (when forming a covalent bond) or it has one electron and one proton?
Can I make a new thread about the topic above? need suggestions.
 
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HCverma said:
Can I make a new thread about the topic above? need suggestions.
Maybe just give the clarification asked of you.

Hydrogen atom is what?
One proton and one electron.
Hydrogen atom, if exist that way, neutral.

Diatomic Hydrogen molecule is what?
Two protons and two electrons.
The diatomic molecule is neutral.

Something else? Describe the condition or situation and maybe one of the more expert members will discuss.
 
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HCverma said:
Now coming to the main point, the H atom is neutral when it has two electrons and one proton (when forming a covalent bond) or it has one electron and one proton?
sir from your point of view hydrogen atom is neutral but here question is about nucleus. Nucleus have protons and nucleus. Protons have positive charge whereas neutrons are neutral, so net charge is positive. That is why, nucleus of an atom can never be neutral.
 
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symbolipoint said:
Maybe just give the clarification asked of you.

Hydrogen atom is what?
One proton and one electron.
Hydrogen atom, if exist that way, neutral.

Diatomic Hydrogen molecule is what?
Two protons and two electrons.
The diatomic molecule is neutral.

Something else? Describe the condition or situation and maybe one of the more expert members will discuss.
Hydrogen atom is One proton and one electron.
Hydrogen atom, if exist that way, is neutral.
Diatomic Hydrogen molecule is two protons and two electrons.
The diatomic molecule is neutral.
 

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