Where Can I Find Detailed Equations Like Dirac's and Einstein's?

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The discussion revolves around the search for detailed equations related to Dirac's and Einstein's theories, particularly focusing on the Dirac equation and the theory of relativity. Participants express a desire to see the actual mathematical formulations rather than just descriptions, and they seek recommendations for books that can provide an introduction to these concepts.

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  • One participant expresses frustration at the lack of accessible resources containing the actual equations of Dirac and Einstein, suggesting that they are often omitted from popular texts.
  • Another participant suggests that a simple Google search can yield results, specifically mentioning the Wikipedia page for the Dirac equation.
  • A participant points out that many textbooks cover the mathematics in detail but are typically at a graduate level, requiring a solid foundation in undergraduate physics and mathematics.
  • There is a request for introductory books that can help bridge the gap for those eager to learn more about advanced physics concepts.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of a strong understanding of basic physics before tackling advanced topics like general relativity, stating that there are no shortcuts to understanding these complex subjects.
  • Another participant shares their enthusiasm for learning and requests recommendations for books on particle and nuclear physics, expressing a desire to deepen their knowledge.
  • Specific undergraduate modern physics textbooks are recommended, although it is noted that they may not cover the Dirac equation in detail.
  • A detailed overview of the Dirac equation is provided, including its mathematical formulation and significance in quantum field theory, along with the Einstein field equations from general relativity.

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Participants generally agree on the need for a solid foundation in basic physics before advancing to complex topics. However, there is no consensus on the availability of introductory resources that adequately cover the desired material, and multiple views on the accessibility of advanced equations are present.

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Some participants note the complexity and prerequisites involved in understanding the Dirac equation and general relativity, highlighting that many resources may be too advanced for beginners. The discussion reflects a range of experiences and knowledge levels among participants.

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This discussion may be useful for high school students, undergraduate students, or anyone interested in learning more about advanced physics concepts, particularly those seeking resources to understand the Dirac equation and Einstein's theories.

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Well i always read about them, but does anyone know where i can look at the actual equations? Some examples might be Einsteins Theory of Relativity (not mass, but space and time) or Dirac's complete equation describing the electron; the one which earned him the Nobel Prize.

I don't understand why these are never in books, i could assume that they are too long and complicated, but i don't know. I would be very interested in seeing some of the math, instead of just reading about it. I made a thread a while ago about books that are intermediate in this field but also have some math involved. THanks! :biggrin:
 
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Well, there are actually many books that cover the actual math in enormous detail. They're called... textbooks. Perhaps you should visit your local university bookstore or library and look for some of the more widely-known physics textbooks.

Note that most of these books are graduate-level, and require a pretty good understanding of the math and physics involved in undergraduate physics.

If you're interested not in textbooks but in popular treatments, I offer you this: There's really not much reason to print the math in a book intended for people who can't actually understand it yet, is there?

- Warren
 
True, but i want to be able to understand it which is why i asked if anyone knew of any books that kind of introduced things. Like if you take a look at the dirac equation (thanks for that BTW jtbell), at first glance i have no idea what it is, but i will read it and try to gain some sort of understanding. I wanted to know if there were any books out there that introduced it. Something like an intro textbook i suppose, if they exist.

Thanks!
 
The only way to truly understand advanced physics is to first understand basic physics, then work your way up in sophistication. It can take years of study to really be able to understand the general theory of relativity. There really is no "short-cut," or way for the subject to be made clear to people with no understanding of the underlying material.

- Warren
 
Yes i know and understand, i am not asking for a shortcut by ANY means. Just understand the interest i have in this field. I wanted to learn more about it. I have read 2 books on the subject, i just have a thirst to learn more. To me it is the most fascinating thing in the universe. I just am eager to learn more, we don't really cover much of it, in fact this year (10th grade high-school) was the first time we learned about quarks in school; it's pathetic! We talked about them for like 10 minutes. Its a shame. Love nuclear and particle physics. I just want to learn more.

If anyone can recommend any books on either particle and/or nuclear physics that'd be great! I understand i sound too eager, but i am not going to lie, i am. Can't wait for college and graduate work. I just want to learn more about the field, can't explain it, i just love it :D Thanks.
 
I think you should pick up an undergraduate Modern Physics textbook; they cover a wide variety of subjects fairly informally.

- Warren
 
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I’ll give you a brief over-view of the Dirac equation:

[tex]\sum_{\mu}\left(i\hbar\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}-mc)\psi =0[/tex]

[itex]\hbar[/itex] is Plank's constant over two pi, [itex]\partial_{\mu}[/itex] a partial derivative (a derivative of a function of more than one variable with respect to a single variable) with respect to the subscripted variable ([itex]\mu =t, x, y, z[/itex]), m the mass, c the speed of light and [itex]i=\sqrt{-1}[/itex]. [itex]\psi[/itex] is a Dirac/Weyl spinor that is a more complicated variety of wave-function than that found in simple non-relativistic quantum mechanics, it's a bit like a vector but they transform under SU(2) rather than SO(N), meaning they're a vector in a complex (involving roots of negatives) vector space. [itex]\gamma^{\mu}[/itex] is the mu-th component of a set of matrices that transform as a vector. They form a Clifford algebra with the following anti-commutation relation in Minkowski space-time (the space-time of special relativity with metric diag(1 -1 -1 -1))

[tex]\left\{\gamma^{\mu}, \gamma^{\nu}\right\} =2\eta^{\mu\nu}\times\mathbf{1}_{n\times n}[/tex]

[itex]\eta^{\mu\nu}[/itex] is the symmetric (same under interchange of the indices mu and nu) Minkowskian metric tensor, the braces with a comma denotes the commutator [itex]\{a, b\}=ab+ba[/itex] and [itex]\mathbf{1}_{n\times n}[/itex] is the identity operator with dimension n equal to the representation of the algebra.

You'll find a discussion of the Dirac equation and its results in any text that covers relativistic quantum mechanics and/or field theory. Its use in quantum field theory is of great importance, as it accurately describes the dynamics of fermions that are both free of interactions and involved in some form of interaction (with the appropriate coupling to the interaction and other terms that come from those in the Lagrangian that are gauge invariant under the symmetry group of the field theory).

To get the best results from the Dirac theory we need to apply a method of quantisation to the Dirac field [itex]\psi[/itex] (particle can only take on set, discrete amounts of energy). If we don't use quantum field theory and minimally couple the Dirac equation (whack in a gauge connection term that accounts for the interaction's coupling to the field) the Dirac equation can only, at best, account for first order interactions, meaning it can only make calculations from the simplest Feynman diagrams we can draw (known as tree-level, which are absent of virtual particle interactions/bubbles).

The full equation for an electron interacting with an electromagnetic field (Quantum Electrodynamics, QED) is

[tex]\mathcal{L}=\sum_{\mu,\nu}\left[\bar{\psi}\left(i\gamma^{\mu}\partial_{\mu}-m\right)\psi-\tfrac{1}{4}F^{\mu\nu}F_{\mu\nu}-e\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}A_{\mu}\psi\right][/tex]

Here the Dirac field with the bar over it represents the anti-particle form of the fermion field [itex]\psi[/itex], e is the charge on the electron, F is the field-strength tensor of classical electrodynamics ([itex]=\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu}A_{\mu}[/itex]) and A is the electromagnetic potential (satisfying [itex]\mathbf{E}=\nabla A_0[/itex], [itex]\mathbf{B}=\nabla\times\mathbf{A}[/itex]). This quantity is known as a Lagrangian density [itex]\cal{L}[/itex] or simply Lagrangian, which by applying the principle of least action, also known as Hamilton's principle, will give one the equations of motion for the electron/photon. The QED Lagrangian accurately describes all electrodynamic interactions between fermions.

There aren't really any complicated equations from special relativity. The most important equation from general relativity is

[tex]G_{\mu\nu}=\frac{8\pi G}{c^4}T_{\mu\nu}[/tex]

which are a set of 10 second order differential equations in the metric tensor (or connection in Einstein-Cartan theory) known as the Einstein field equations (in my opinion they should really be called the Einstein-Hilbert equations, but nevermind).
 
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