Where Can I Find P&ID Diagrams for Syngas Generation?

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The discussion revolves around the search for Process and Instrumentation Diagrams (P&IDs) related to syngas generation using various feedstocks such as natural gas, coal, biomass, and waste residues. Participants explore the availability of such diagrams and clarify the distinctions between P&IDs and simpler process diagrams.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests P&IDs for syngas generation and mentions needing main features of the process.
  • Another participant asserts that actual P&IDs are unlikely to be found due to their proprietary nature, suggesting that generic process information may be available instead.
  • A participant provides a detailed explanation of what a P&ID entails, emphasizing its complexity and the specific information it contains, and suggests that a simpler process diagram may suffice for the original request.
  • There is a reiteration of the need for a P&ID for a design project, indicating a differing view on the necessity of such diagrams.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the necessity of P&IDs versus simpler process diagrams. While some argue that a P&ID is essential for the project, others contend that a simpler diagram would be more appropriate.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the specific definitions and uses of P&IDs versus block diagrams, but does not resolve the question of diagram availability or the appropriateness of the requested diagram type for the project.

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Hello everyone.

Does anyone know where can I find P&ID to for the generation of Syngas using natural gas/coal/biomass/waste residues as feedstock ?

I need some of the main features of the process too.

Thanks for helping. =)
 
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The chances you'll find an actual P&ID are close to zero. They're proprietary information. You might find generic process information, but you won't find that level of detail.
 
Hi Osimplegirlo,
Got your PM and wanted to clarify something. The term "P&ID" has a very specific meaning in industry. It stands for Process and Instrumentation Diagram. Such diagrams show every valve, every pressure gage, every pipe, tank, pump, heat exchanger, etc... for a system. On it, it shows a tag number on every component which corresponds to a tag on the actual component in order to identify it. Those tags also correspond to a parts list that contains information on what that component is and how it can be identified. A P&ID is a very elaborate drawing that contains a wealth of information not just on components but on pressures and temperatures and how the system is controlled including all the safety features and other information.

You said you needed this for a project at school, but a P&ID is not what you need. You just need a simple process diagram, sometimes called a "block diagram". That's a type of diagram that shows the major components and enough to get a general idea of the process, but not at the level of detail that a P&ID provides.

I'd suggest doing a search on syngas "http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=syngas+"process+diagram"+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=". That way you can actually see the diagram before you click on the link.

Anyway, you probably need help from a chemical engineer, and I'm mechanical so I can't offer you too much assistance. Good luck on your assignment.
 
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Osimplegirlo said:
Hello everyone.

Does anyone know where can I find P&ID to for the generation of Syngas using natural gas/coal/biomass/waste residues as feedstock ?

I need some of the main features of the process too.

Thanks for helping. =)

Do your own PPE project assignment ball bags.

Q_Goest said:
You said you needed this for a project at school, but a P&ID is not what you need. You just need a simple process diagram, sometimes called a "block diagram". That's a type of diagram that shows the major components and enough to get a general idea of the process, but not at the level of detail that a P&ID provides.

Anyway, you probably need help from a chemical engineer, and I'm mechanical so I can't offer you too much assistance. Good luck on your assignment.

Yes a P&ID is needed... its a design project 3rd year chem eng
 

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