Where did all this stuff around me come from?

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The discussion centers around the origins of heavy elements on Earth, exploring whether nuclear fusion in stars is the sole natural process responsible for their formation or if other processes exist. Participants reference concepts from astrophysics, including the Big Bang and supernovae, as well as laboratory synthesis of elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that heavy elements on Earth consist of large atoms and questions if nuclear fusion in stars is the only natural process for their production.
  • Another participant asserts that all heavy elements were formed in supernovae, emphasizing the need for significant energy from massive stars for their creation.
  • A different participant claims that there are no natural processes on Earth capable of producing heavy elements through fusion.
  • It is mentioned that hydrogen, helium, and lithium were produced during the Big Bang, while all other elements are attributed to supernovae via nuclear fusion.
  • One participant corrects a previous statement by indicating that some elements are produced by non-supernova stars and that traces of other elements were formed during the Big Bang.
  • A request for a detailed explanation of the processes in non-supernova stars is made, indicating interest in understanding alternative pathways for element formation.
  • A participant provides a link to a resource and summarizes that less massive nuclei fuse to create more massive nuclei, with a note on the energy dynamics involved in the fusion process up to gold.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the processes responsible for the formation of heavy elements, with some asserting that only supernovae are responsible, while others acknowledge the role of non-supernova stars and the Big Bang. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the completeness of these explanations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the processes involved in element formation, particularly concerning the energy requirements and the specific roles of different types of stars.

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Hi,

There are elements in the Earth that consist of large atoms. Where did they come from? I am familiar with the phrase 'We are all stardust'. Is nuclear fusion in stars the only natural way to produce large atoms or is there another natural process on Earth that can produce large atoms?

Thanks very much
 
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All the heavy elements were formed in a Supernova, some while ago. Apparently it has to be a Supernova to provide all that energy. i.e. starting with a really massive star.

There are no processes on (in) Earth that could be energetic enough for fusion, afaik.
 
No natural processes. Of course there are some elements that were formed for the first time in laboratories.
 
hydrogen,helium,lithium was produced from big bang all others are from super nova via nuclear fusion.
no other methods in earth
 
aishwariya said:
hydrogen,helium,lithium was produced from big bang all others are from super nova via nuclear fusion.
no other methods in earth

Correction: traces of other elements were produced by the Big Bang, and quite a few elements are produced by non-supernovaing stars. The really massive ones (above Gold?) are produced by Supernovae.
 
thank you whovian can you describe the process in ful esp non supernovaing stars
 
aishwariya said:
thank you whovian can you describe the process in ful esp non supernovaing stars

I'm not terribly good at explaining things, but http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/astro/astfus.html

Basically, we'll have less massive nuclei fusing to produce more massive nuclei. Pretty much up to Gold (? again) is produced here, at which point the reaction from Iron to Gold (? yet again) will start taking up more energy than it produces.
 

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