Where Does Kinetic Energy Go in a Closed System?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the fate of kinetic energy in a closed system, particularly when a ball is thrown to the ground and comes to rest due to friction. Participants explore the implications of energy conservation and the transformation of kinetic energy into other forms, questioning where this energy ultimately dissipates.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions where the kinetic energy goes when a ball is thrown and comes to rest, referencing the law of conservation of energy in closed systems.
  • Another participant asserts that the friction energy is converted into heat.
  • A subsequent participant asks for clarification on where the heat energy goes.
  • One response explains that the kinetic theory of heat suggests that energy dissipates into random microscopic motions, which are measured as an increase in temperature.
  • Another participant states that heat energy dissipates everywhere.
  • One participant elaborates that while kinetic energy from the ball is primarily transformed into heat, it also disperses into various forms of energy, emphasizing that the energy is transferred to the Earth but is not noticeable due to the relative sizes of the ball and the Earth.
  • A participant suggests a resource titled "Conservation Laws" by Benjamin Crowell for further reading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the primary form of energy into which kinetic energy is transformed, with some emphasizing heat and others suggesting a more complex distribution of energy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of energy transformation and dissipation.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully agree on the mechanisms of energy transformation, and there are unresolved questions about the definitions and implications of energy dissipation in a closed system.

BAsM
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When you throw a ball in the ground you give it kinetic energy but because of the friction with the ground the ball come to rest.
Where is the kinetic energy goes?!
i know that the law of conservation of energy states that this conservation happened in closed-systems.
but anyone has ideas about where this waste energy goes if we considered the whole universe as a closed-system?
 
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The friction energy goes into heat.
 
and where is the heat go
 
BAsM said:
and where is the heat go
Everywhere. It dissipates.
 
mathman said:
The friction energy goes into heat.

The kinetic energy that you give the ball (through throwing it) would disperse through many forms of energy; also suggested by russ_waters in the previous message. But I would not speculate that the main form of energy that the kinetic energy of the ball is dispersed to, is mainly through heat energy; due to the fact that it is not the main energy. I would like to outline that most of the kinetic energy of the ball as it hits the ground of the Earth, will in fact simply be transferred as kinetic energy acting upon the Earth in which ever direction the ball hits. Now why don't we notice this transfer of energy, or in other words why will we never notice a transfer of energy from the ball to the Earth? Well it is simply due to the size and mass of the ball compared to the Earth; the ball is just to small to create a large enough effect that is noticeble.:smile:
 
Check out "Conservation Laws" by Benjamin Crowell available under creative common license.
 

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